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Einsam_Delphin said:
teigaga said:

Yeah, I was refering to the whole launch window and following summer. Not just launch month.

For the same reasons above, I simply can't see them suffering the same fate. Again I think people underestimate the amount that went wrong with the Wii U:

-Its name, the poorly communicated gimmick, not even nintendo knows what to do with the pad
-who on earth was the system aimed at? If at core gamers, the fact that it couldn't demonstrate a clear leap over 7 old consoles was clearly a weak point.
-The fact that ALL the most anticipated 3rd party titles skipped it
-The fact that it had no strong support of any kind until last week (pikmin 3)
-The fact that it in early 2013, the only games that were even announced for it were Rayman, Pikmin and Wonderful 101.

Its simply not logical to think that the ps4/X1 will suffer the same fate, because they won't be presented with the same circumstances.
-Microsoft and Sony's advertising is already better,  they've put a focus on the console, not a control. Plus their names are not stupid :p
-Their initial audience is hardcore gamers, there is no confusing that.
-The only big 2014 titles not coming to next gen is Lightning returns and Dark souls 2. 
-We haven't even reached gamescon, but there are already more next gen exclusives announced for 2014 then there are current gen. 

Will their sales drop? Sure... No one is saying that they will sell wii numbers and constantly be sold out throughout 2014. But to say they will suffer the same fate of the Wii U is to suggest that they will drop to 10k in each region. Chances of that happening in North America and Europe are very slim IMO.



Well you're debating with the wrong person then as I didn't say they'd sell exactly like the Wii U lol. That would just be absolutely terrible for the VG industry if they did! D:

All I'm saying is that they will have a slow start whicn is perfectly normal. The PS2 and Wii were the only exceptions, so unless one were to believe the PS4/XO will sell just like those two, which you agreed that they wont, then the only other possibility is to have a slow start, though it wont be as slow as Wii U.

Hmm, I'd differentiate between slow and stable. I think both systems will have stable sales. The way I see it:

slow: 50k or less 

stable: 70-100k

130k + = big success