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Einsam_Delphin said:
teigaga said:

You've missed my point though. These are consoles which people HAVE to buy at some point if they want to experience the future of gaming (FFXV, Witcher, Devision, Battlefield, Mirrors edge 2, Mass Effect, New Ips and obviously exclusives: Halo,  infamous, the order, naughty dogs title etc). Becuase informed gamers know these systems are garunteed a bright future there is less need for incentive at launch although their is still plenty of benefits if you do make the dip (exclusives :more then current gen+ superior versions of 3rd party titles+better services /OS/unique console features. They are not paying $460 for a game they can buy for $60, they are payin $400 for the future of games. Also lets not pretend that PS4/Xbox1 do not have better exclusives at  launch then their predecessors or the Wii U did in the same period.  Already they are in a better position.

And of course gamers who are more tight with their wallets may wait, but that has ALWAYS been the case. This is why systems sell their most in the 3rd/4th year when developers have completely abondoned the last gen consoles, and the new consoles are normally $100/$150 cheaper then they were at launch.
Neither the Xbox 1, nor the PS4 need that audience in order to have a very successfull year 1. 

As for GTA, it comes out in september, the majority of people who wait till the holiday to buy it probably not the demographic who buy consoles at launch anyway. 



Well first let me say that I'm not saying they wont launch well. Like all consoles, even the Wii U, they will launch well due to them hardcore gamers you're talking about. They'll no doubt sell out at launch, but that's not what this thread is about. It's on discussing how well they'll do right after launch. Thread title ask if they'll follow the Wii U's footsteps afterall. So what I'm saying is that while people will of course buy the consoles eventually, it just might not be for a while, hence a slow start for PS4/XO after launch. Like you said, people will always wait to buy, hence why this slow start has went down with every other console that isn't the PS2/Wii. I actually don't remember past launch line-ups, so I can't comment there, but I also don't remember such fierce competition from the previous gen either.


Yeah, I was refering to the whole launch window and following summer. Not just launch month.

For the same reasons above, I simply can't see them suffering the same fate. Again I think people underestimate the amount that went wrong with the Wii U:

-Its name, the poorly communicated gimmick, not even nintendo knows what to do with the pad
-who on earth was the system aimed at? If at core gamers, the fact that it couldn't demonstrate a clear leap over 7 old consoles was clearly a weak point.
-The fact that ALL the most anticipated 3rd party titles skipped it
-The fact that it had no strong support of any kind until last week (pikmin 3)
-The fact that it in early 2013, the only games that were even announced for it were Rayman, Pikmin and Wonderful 101.

Its simply not logical to think that the ps4/X1 will suffer the same fate, because they won't be presented with the same circumstances.
-Microsoft and Sony's advertising is already better,  they've put a focus on the console, not a control. Plus their names are not stupid :p
-Their initial audience is hardcore gamers, there is no confusing that.
-The only big 2014 titles not coming to next gen is Lightning returns and Dark souls 2. 
-We haven't even reached gamescon, but there are already more next gen exclusives announced for 2014 then there are current gen. 

Will their sales drop? Sure... No one is saying that they will sell wii numbers and constantly be sold out throughout 2014. But to say they will suffer the same fate of the Wii U is to suggest that they will drop to 10k in each region. Chances of that happening in North America and Europe are very slim IMO.