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chapset said:
nope, they are not betting on the casual who are long gone (probably dead) or on some sort of gimmick as their main selling point and the pre-orders are at record high plus they have plenty of games for the first year

I'm guessing what you wrote is sarcasm based on the perenthesis.  

 

I'm sure that Microsoft and Sony are NOT looking at the Wii U and saying "hell yeah!"  That fact that it is performing VERY poorly is probably some reason for concern in their boardrooms, even if just for economic reasons.  400 and 500 dollars is still a lot of money.

Also, if by casuals you mean someone not used to using dual analog standard controllers, so be it.  They are looking for alternate control means (why the wii was successful).  That's a lot of people.  And just because they are playing Candy Crush today doesn't mean they won't be playing Mario U tomorrow.

Preorders are ALWAYS high.  Even the Wii U was.  Lots of returns due to no resale market.  I have 5+ Xones and PS4s on preorder.  Case in point.

Finally, many of those "plenty of games" are going to be available on 360/ps4. 

 

That being said, I don't think either of the unreleased systems is doomed.  I just think their sucess is uncertain.