Argument from nonbelief

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Aielyn said:

Jay520 said:

1. Fair

2. Bad analogy. Unless air was (a) all-powerful, and (b) wanted everyone to have the opportunity to become aware of its existence. An all-powerful and all-loving God would want to have a loving relationship with every human; and would thus give everyone a fair and reasonable opportunity to form such a relationship (see below).

3. For one, people who have never been introduced to God, among others too.

2. Analogy doesn't require every subtle feature to apply, only the general properties. The relevant property, here, is that air is ever-present and yet invisible, and essentially necessary for life.

3. One doesn't necessarily have to identify the presence as "god" in order to be aware of it. It is fallacious to assume that awareness of a relationship means understanding of that relationship. Some could just as easily think that the "presence" is really their own courage, or their conscience, or their inner voice, depending on how that awareness is supposed to manifest itself in those who do believe (not being a believer, myself, I can't really be sure).

I agree with your point 3 aielyn.The belief is that God is just and that some day, whether in this life or the next, God will have revealed himself so that no one is without reason before God to justly refuse him.

It wouldn't make sense any other way.