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irstupid on 23 July 2013
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wilco said:
irstupid said:
I'm excited yet worried at same time.

I love Superman, and Batman is awesome too, but I hate how they make every villain/superhero ect into just a meathead when batman is involved.

I mean superman for example is depicted as basically the smartest man in the universe at many times, yet when other superheroes get involved, like in justice league, and ESPECIALLY whenever batman is around, they turn Superman into basically just a hulk. He just takes big hits and punches people.

It happens in every adaptation I've seen with Batman and any superhero team up. Batman always is 100% the brains and whatever the other person is is only used for their superpowers, they have zero brains when batman comes around.

I really hope they don't nerf superman to make batman seem awesome.


Thats actually an interesting observation. I never really paid much attention to that but you are right. Pretty much every writer who deals with Batman and Superman together is guilty of this. I would also like to see Superman not get dumbed down for Batman, obviously he wouldn't be as intelligent as batman but he doesn't have to be reduced to a dumb jock.

...but, within the context of the Man of Steel universe, Superman doesn't seem all that smart... or atleast there wasn't much evidence of his intelligence in that film. At no point in MoS do we see Superman solving problems with creative thinking. Pretty much every problem is solved by brute strength or punches to the face. In that case, it would be consistent with the universe if Superman was easily outsmarted by Batman.

One movie is always hard to get a character down completely, especially when dealing with superman.  I mean he has x-ray vision, heat vision, super breath, super strength, invulnerability, super smart, power by sun, weak to kyrptonite, ect.  So its not surprising they didn't feel the need to have him memorize an encyclopedia in seconds for you on screen, not to mention he was fighting basically a muscle head military guy.  If the villian was someone like Braniac or Luther they could showcase his smarts better.

But ignore that.  My main point comes back to a great example  "The Avengers"  

This was from my memory the first real superhero mashup hollywood movie.  Once in a while you would get a cameo or something in past movies, but this was first were we had multiple stand alone comic heroes headline staring in a movie.  And it did it great.  WHY?  Because it didnt' change any character to fit into another world.  Thor, Iron Man, Cap, ect were all how I remembered them in their own stand alone movies.  They didn't change their dialogue to fit another characters.  They didnt' change their outfits to better match anothers.  They didnt' make one stronger or weaker to help the person stand out more or not steal the show.  They essentially kept the characters true to themselves and didn't try to fit them into anothers world, but instead created a world where they could all co-exist.

Batman adaptations mostly fail in this.  They never take Batman, Flash, Superman, ect and put them in a neutral world, they instead take Superman, Flash, ect and put them in Batmans world.