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Michael-5 said:
endimion said:
Michael-5 said:
sales2099 said:

I didn't see "Xbox" in the origional statement.

360 kinect isn't touched and looks like X1 won't be either.

It's still Microsoft. Your XBL account is still a Windows Live account, and Kinect is an extension of it now.

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What you're saying is nonsense. No offence, but if Crysler made seriously defecting 300's, would you be as willing to buy a Sebring? No.

Same with Microsoft, they've already proven to us that they can and will violate our privacy. Just saying "we won't do it again" doesn't mean it won't happen. Microsoft is much more likely to violate our privacy then any other console manufacterer as it stands ATM.

MS didn't violate anything, they complied to govermental requests. if tomorrow the NSA contacts vgchartz with a court order and ask you to reveal all the private messages I sent on that site with valid ground, you do it and you stfu, it's not like you have the choice. So what MS did is pretty much what anybody does in the same situation they apply the law, if they can deny a request they do, if they can't they comply. simple as that

What valid ground was there in the PRISM Scandal? This is why it's called a Scandal, and Microsoft participating, just means that we can't trust them.

Microsoft, like VGC, is bound by contract to keep our information private, and if MS wanted to they could have made it a long and public process before they gave up private information. MS didn't fight for our security, they just gave away the keys to our privacy.

Meanwhile companies like Firefox are making a public petition to this, and making people aware that their "private browsing" is not private. Microsoft never did this, and still doesn't. You must be crazy to think that MS is going to put a sticker on your X-Box One console telling you who is watching you.

No, if MS wanted to agressively stop government spying, they would have designed the One where Kinect can be unplugged and turned off entirely. This way if NSA or anyone requests private information, they can't get it because they themselves can't access it. But no, Kinect always listens, and faces you. Sure there is a setting to filter what it's listening for, but how can you trust that after Microsofts involvement in the PRISM scandal?

Microsoft is not "agressively challenging" government spying, they just say they are.

People are so willing to forgive and forget.....I wish they didn't so many US companies would just die in a fire.


the PRISM scandal is the governement responsability, MS just complied with the law. So they didn't participate in anything once again, nobody on US ground had any choice in the matter if the NSA or any other participating bodies where asking for anything.
The valid ground of PRISM is not debatable by MS or by you or by anybody when it was in application, in other word once again if they had knocked on VGchartz door it would have been the same.
I'm not forgiving anything, there is nothing to forgive, the only one that fucked up is the US gov period.

and for the gazillion time, there is no way MS will be spying with kinect. it is not only plain dumb and useless (beside for marketing use and in that case if it happens you'll have it writen in the TOS) but also wouldn't work more than 10 seconds, cause you can be offline first, and there is absolutely no way for anybody to collect data issued from my own network without me knowing or at least willingly broadcasting them... so if even me a low level geek can be close to 100% stealth with my local network even to the NSA if I want to, there is no way the kinect is gonna be even thought of for a spying device cause it wouldn't be viable.... because it is way easier for them to spy from the outside than hack in somebody network especially if they are engaged in sensible activities and therefor use ven higher level of protection than most people

and for the last time public privacy hasn't been compromised, the PRISM scandal doesn't concern the public but specific people.... enough with the public privacy, the NSA doesn't give a rats ass about you.....

so yeah PRISM is scandalous, MS has been abused in the process and its integrity compromised.... but any regular joe doubting its privacy isn't safe with MS and kinect or any other company involved is just a fool (sorry but that's true) because nobody is concerned directly, it's not like 300 million americans been spyed on.... it's like a 100 maybe 1000 maybe 10000 guys that have been on the radar for a while and would have been with or without PRISM.... so once again it is completely irrelevant to the millions of the majority of MS consumers and even less of the XB kinect consumer..... but if you have time to waste thinking that or would sucomb to paranoia rather than use usefull services or entertianement systems, you are free to do so, just stop trying to convince everybody of an impossibility.... and stop using any of those services because if they want to spy on you they will no matter what.. you are the only one that can protect your information and that implies either not using anything sensible or taking the right step to do so. But again it would be a lot of useless time and energy lost on nothing for most people unless they really have something to hide