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kowenicki said:

Not down because of software supprt?  this late in a gen?

really?

Down 46% for the PS3 in June with TLOU breaking records tells me different.

PS3 is down 30% or more in every NPD now, same in Japan... Europe is somehow immune?

I ma saying both are down, I'm being objective and have been consistent all year.  This in the face of a majority here saying the PS3 could be flat (yes quite a few said this) or only slightly down this year by under 10%.  It makes no sense whatsoever.

While shipments and Nintendo chartz shows a drop of 10-15% only the Europe is immune... I guess Europe is just a little late in the trends... I think this 30% drop will happen next year in Europe.

A year after US and JP.