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Just looked up some screens of Forza 5 and Drive Club, since that's a comparison people keep talking about.

Doesn't seem like much of a discussion. Forza straight up mercs Drive Club visually. I mean if that dynamic lighting gives you a hard on, great, but it looks to me like that's the only thing you'll have to be excited about. The gameplay pics look awful. Detail on the cars is atrociously bad compared to Forza, the environments seem a bit blurred (and not in a good "I'm passing everything at 200mph" kinda way), the game lacks color (don't people always rag on games for being too "brown"? That's what Drive Club looks like).

So what I see in Forza is a game that looks far superior visually, and ran at 60fps on actual X1 consoles at E3, where Drive Club dipped into below 20fps territory.

And before people jump on me, and twist this into me seeing "X1 has much better graphics than PS4!" That's not what I'm saying. Infamous for example looks damn sexy to me, and was one of the more visually impressive titles I've seen so far.

I'm just saying Drive Club doesn't look like anything to brag about. At all.