BluRay in PS3 was Win/Win for Sony

[Final-Fan]

LordTheNightKnight said:

Final-Fan said:

LordTheNightKnight said:

Final-Fan said:
OK, then how would you characterize a 4.67:1 sales base advantage (as opposed to a 1:3 disadvantage)?

If I am twisting your words, set me straight.  "Keeping a racer behind is not the same as causing them to drop out."

OK, let me rephrase:  "If you concede that the PS3 let Blu-ray establish and maintain a SUBSTANTIAL advantage over HD DVD, how can you then say it did not contribute substantially to HD DVD bowing out of the race?"

Happy now?

That's the thing. I have not seen proof of the substantial part, just insitance.

"Keeping a racer behind" In your own words, you admit it.  If it wasn't a "substantial" difference, then you wouldn't have any basis for this statement.

"Keeping a racer behind IS NOT THE SAME AS CAUSING THEM TO DROP OUT."

And the all-caps were delibarate, as you cut off that part to make it look as though I am agreeing with you, when I was not.

I would like to take this opportunity to remind you of an earlier post of mine:

If you hold somebody underwater long enough, he drowns.  If you concede that the PS3 let Blu-ray establish and maintain a [edit:  substantial] advantage over HD DVD, how can you then say it did not contribute substantially to HD DVD bowing out of the race? Or are you only saying that the PS3 did not deliver the knockout blow?  If so, I agree.  That was Netflix/Wal-mart/etc.

Are you now indicating that you do in fact agree with the second question?  Because it sure as hell sounds like it.

[edit:  And I resent the implication that I was -- as you are so fond of accusing -- twisting your words. The full sentence is quoted, in full, BY ME, right above.  The latter part was taken out because whether or not "keeping a racer behind" is or is not the same as causing him to drop out, a force that keeps a racer behind is pretty much by definition having a substantial effect on the race.  In other words, I left that part out because it was irrelevant to the argument I was making and would have been a needless and large complication in that paragraph.]

LordTheNightKnight said:

Final-Fan said:
According to ABI, "it wasn't customers' likes or dislikes that powered the fatal blow in the format war, it was Warner Bros.' decision to switch allegiance to Blu-ray, along with subsequent moves to dump HD DVD by major retailers such as Wal-Mart, Netflix and Blockbuster."

THE FATAL BLOW.
THE FATAL BLOW.

Not the whole victory, but the final surge that carried Blu-ray into the winner's circle.

Unless you can prove that the custumers was almost completely due to the PS3, you are also twisting words. Warner themselves said that it was customer buying blu-Ray players other than the PS3.

Let me repeat that. Players OTHER than the PS3. You don't seem to have even acknowledged that, let alone conceded it.

I do not have to prove any such thing.  Nowhere have I said or implied that it was completely or almost completely thanks to PS3, but you are the one denying that PS3 contributed in ANY SUBSTANTIAL WAY to Blu-ray's overall victory.  Source please on Warner specifically saying that it was NOT PS3 players that influenced its decision.  [edit2:  They also have to not credit any factor strongly influenced by the PS3 install base.]  If it's in this thread, I apologize but I'm blind so please clear the mud from my eyes.

In any case, you ignore my point that this quote does nothing to say what influenced the format war as a whole, only to say what brought it to a close.  Stalingrad wasn't the "final blow" for Germany by any stretch of the imagination, but it was pretty important to the course of the war.  In fact I think it was the turning point but I'm not going to bother verifying.  [edit: A closer analogy might be the USA's aid to the USSR, which continued for most if not all of the war.  I don't see anyone saying that "caused the end of WWII in Europe" but it sure as hell had an effect.]

PS3 Blu-ray players, despite overwhelming numerical superiority, were not 90% of the cause of Blu-ray's software sales advantage.  At the same time, I assert that you are incorrect that the difference they made was INSUBSTANTIAL.