Final-Fan said:
04/18/2007
HD DVD - 100k in USA
Blu-ray - 1050k PS3s, 25k stand-alone players in USA
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070418-dedicated-hd-dvd-players-outsell-blu-ray-counterparts.html
07/26/2007
HD DVD - 300k in USA (half of which are 360 add-ons)
Blu-ray - 1400k PS3s, 100k stand-alone players in USA
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9750763-7.html
http://www.news.com/2300-1041_3-6199134-1.html
(Note: apparently HD DVD was more popular on the other side of the pond, but then again so was the PS3.)
Say all you like about the studios LtNK,
Just what I say? Were you here when Warnder went Blu-Ray exclusive?
You said, "Sony made the right deals to secure studio and retail support. Toshiba didn't. HD-DVD lost shelf space and new releases. That is what lost the format. The PS3 didn't make those happen." You said that studio and retail pressure -- NOT the PS3 install base NOR the resultant Blu-ray sales -- made Blu-ray win and Sony lose.
but there is no denying that the PS3 having Blu-ray was a MASSIVE boost to the install base,
Why are you implying I did deny that? The PS3 has a drive, therefore it technically increases the instal base.
I did not mean to imply that you are denying that PS3s were sold. Obviously. I am establishing that as a fact and its causal connection to the second half of the sentence below.
and a lot of the people who suddenly found themselves with a Blu-ray player probably went out and got one just for the hell of it,
"a lot" would be better served by hard statistics. I'm not saying zero people did, but the only hard data we have is half of US PS3 owners were even aware of the drive.
If you know where to find retail statistics applying specifically to Blu-ray discs bought by PS3 owners, I would be extremely interesting in learning how that was accomplished. I'm sure that there are very well-educated guesses on what those numbers are, but I'm not going to stay up till 3 AM rooting through obscure tech forums I've never heard of looking for them. We're in guesstimation territory here.
even if they had SDTVs.
Again, there were likely some, but this is a big assumption.
I, the owner of a PS3 hooked up to an SDTV, very nearly did, and I haven't bought a regular DVD in months! (Aside from that Blade Runner box collection; I guarantee that if it had been offered in Blu-ray I would have been all over it.) If I had bought, say, 5 DVDs that were also available on Blu-ray in the 13 months I've owned my PS3 (instead of zero), I guarantee you that at least one or two of them would have been Blu-ray.
Short version: It's guesswork, but not unreasonable.
93% of the Blu-ray player install base as of July was PS3s.
Again, half even knew it was a player, and we don't know how many actually used it for that.
Right, but even if only one in seven PS3 owners did so, that's still two Blu-ray-watching PS3 owners for every non-PS3-owning Blu-ray watchers. (In July 2007.)
We can assume about almost every stand-alone Blu-Ray purchase was because of people who knew, and would buy those movies (although even then I won't say 100%).
Sure, most of those people didn't use it as such; sure, some of those who did would have bought a standalone player if the PS3 wasn't available. But there were enough who became Blu-ray buyers because of the PS3 they bought to make a big difference.
The difference was to hold off HD-DVD. I have NOT denied that. What I am arguing is what caused Toshiba to discontinue HD-DVD. Keeping a racer behind is not the same as causing them to drop out.
That's not to say that it was SUCH a big difference that it dwarfs all the things you mention. (For instance, I notice that (in the US) HD DVD only managed to sell 50 thousand non-360 players in the time that Blu-ray sold 75 thousand stand-alone players.) But the PS3's contribution is also not dwarfed BY those other things. |
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