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kupomogli said:
osed125 said:
I guess it's not possible to have a decent debate with you. If you read my comment you would have known that non of the things I said are factual. All this is a waiting game, all we can do know is speculate.

But if we go by your logic then I can ask you the same question.

None of what you said is factual.  Speculation isn't factual.   Regardless if it comes true, it was still sepculation on your part because you had no idea what the outcome would be.  I could make 100 speculations on how your day will turn out, and one of them is bound to be true.  I'd only be stating facts then too, right?

What people have stated and you've failed to take notice in, repeatedly, is that online is not a requirement.  What happens is PS4 Owner #374 doesn't have the internet and a used game pass is implemented on the game?  He's going to get screwed out of playing that game.  Now I agree with you that there are third party developers that may do that, but most won't.  As I've stated in a previous post, there are many PC developers who have no DRM tied to their games.  PC games that could be given to 100 of your friends and played without a key, disc, or anything.  These are going to be some of the developers making games on the PS4 and they're going to lock down a console game for used sales when they don't lock down a PC game from piracy?  Do you honestly believe that? 

A lot of console developers didn't even get into the idea of using online passes.  What's going to happen is that PS4 devs will continue to lock out online sections of games with passes and leave single player content available for all to use.  There will be some who lock used games, but very few, and I won't be buying those games on PS4. 

bold 1: And I'm very aware of that, I mentioned it on the post you quoted. Almost every single post on this thread is speculation and/or wishful thinking, we still don't have a 100% answer to this question, we just have to wait (maybe we'll get a full answer during E3).

bold 2: I'm also aware of that, in a previous post I mentioned that when 3rd parties do this DRM for the PS4 it will be exact same as online passes, the only difference is that instead of online it will be the whole game. The companies that implemented online passes this gen didn't care about the people that don't have a steady internet connection in their house, they won't care now. I don't know what's the percentage of people who have a gaming console and don't have any sort of internet on their house (and I mean that completely no internet to even activate a code); gaming is a very expensive hobby, so I imagine this people are a minority.

EA, Activision and Capcom are the ones that most definitely are going to jump ship on the DRM thing first, if those companies see an increase in profit thanks to pay walls, other big 3rd party companies are going to follow suit. There're still going to be exceptions, but if companies do indeed see more money coming from DRM then the majority of publishers (and maybe even Sony) then most games on the system will have pay walls.

bold 3: of course not every developer/publisher is going to have DRM. Like I mentioned above, my fear is that if the majority of 3rd party publishers implement DRM, then the majority of the games will have a pay wall. Would you like to give me some examples of those PC games (that are not digital downloads)? I can only think of indie and some very few other games, can't think of any game that comes from a big 3rd party publisher.

Whatever happens this is going to be a very interesting gen, and for the worse imo. 



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