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Rpruett said:

So what you're saying is,  Knives can be used to cut non living things but guns can't?  Why would I need to support my argument when you just did it for me.  They're both inanimate objects that serve different purposes than murdering human beings.

Legislators are mostly, hive-minded individuals that face extreme party pressure to fall in line.  So while they aren't the same entity as you want to claim, they are very easily manipulated into doing whatever is wanted from them.  You're also forgetting who is the final seal of approval for these laws and how many of these get rubber stamped.

I disagree.  The bleeding needs to be stopped somewhere.  You allow a slippery slope to occur and suddenly expect the population to magically start caring more?  It's not going to happen.  Every step away from freedom, is simply that.  Another step away from freedoms you had the day before.  Mind you, this doesn't just apply to guns.  

As we see in plenty of other places, more gun control does not mean 'more safety'.   What we're really looking for the latter not the former.  The problem is,  criminals have no problem making efforts to obtain weapons (Legally or illegally) in order to do  what they want to do.   It will abysmally fail like all other forms of restriction and control do.  It's not hard to understand why.  The only people that are usually punished are the law abiding citizens.  Take the example of a school zone.  Currently the speed limit is 25 MPH within this school zone.  Due to drivers constantly speeding through this school zone, the local government decides that it only makes sense to change the speed limit to 15 MPH within this school zone.   How does this effect the local community?  Are we safer?  Or are people still going to speed through that school zone?    One thing that we commonly see amongst people who use guns to committ murder,  is that they will go to any lengths necessary to obtain a weapon to murder.

I disagree with the notion that it makes guns harder to obtain for criminals.  Simply because,  I'm not sure why you believe it's so easy for criminals to obtain weapons today.  I mean, we have plenty of laws and restrictions already in place regarding purchases of firearms.  Secondly, if you're talking about 'Gun Show sales'  this too is mostly a misnomer and evidence has shown that Gun Shows don't necessarily contribute more or less to any crimes committed.  After all,  what if you're just a regular person prior to becoming a criminal, no check in the world is going to prevent that.   Additionally,  there exist way too many examples to completely nullify your points.   Weak Gun Law states have low gun murder rates,  Weak Gun law stats have high gun murder rates.  Conversely,  Strong Gun law states have super high gun murder rates.  There is far more than meets the eye with this discussion.  Let us keep in mind, the large drop in gun crimes for several years as well as the increasing gun ownership.

I never mentioned what the 'public wants' either.  The public as a whole wants to be coddled or wants what it wants at a specific moment in time. If the public was engaged, actively, numerous laws would never have passed that have in recent years.  Frankly,  outside of the tragedies there just isn't enough stout evidence to prove the point either way and when it comes to modifying our core rights,  I believe that should be the number one priority.

--Knives are tools with many purposes other than killing things.  Guns have no other purpose.  You are only making yourself foolish by the way you are twisting to keep from conceding this point. 

--So this "party pressure to fall in line", why would that have the effect you are claiming it has on government craving more power?  You know what, forget it, too far off topic. 

--So you are in fact saying that you are against the passage of reasonable gun laws in the belief that it will inevitably lead to the passage of unreasonable gun laws in the future? 

--"Only makes sense" no it doesn't, it would make sense to actually enforce the existing 25mph speed limit.  The analogy would be to more strictly enforce existing gun laws, which Congress has made law enforcement unable to do at the behest of the NRA. 

--Evidence plz, I've given sources and you've given none.  You also make some very strange claims, including implying that gun laws are actually counterproductive in regard to gun violence. 

-- You said "people believe", if you intend for this to mean something completely different and opposite of what "the public believes", well, all I can say is good luck with that and please let me know in advance the next time I need to know when you are separating out synonyms into words with completely different meanings.