"The Great Hardcore Lie Exposed: Wii Did Not Lose Core Gamers"

[Walkthrublazer3]

oniyide said:

Walkthrublazer3 said:

A core game is a core game. It doesn't matter if it's a third, second, or first party game. Super Mario Bros. The Legend of Zelda, and Smash Bros. are core gaming franchises. All of these series saw an increase in sales compared to the previous generation. This means that there were more core gamers who bought the Wii then Gamecube. The belief by many is that Nintendo abandoned the core gamer and was only successful because all of the new casual players who bought it only to play games like Wii sports. If this were true, then games like Smash Bros. Brawl would have sold less then Melee, which of course isn't the case.

3rd party companies are to blame for their own poor sales. Most of them offered half-baked games with mediocre gameplay, Nintendo's own core games were far suprerior to them. 3rd parties created a reputation of releases watered down low effort, or just bad games. Dead Space Extraction, Red steel, and the on rails Resident Evil games are good examples. It's not Nintendo's fault that 3rd parties put in a low effort for core games on the Wii. Therefore 3rd parties aren't even revelent to this discussion. Remember this article is about core gamers abandoning the Wii and Nintendo.

Besides, that's like saying, the N64 and Gamecube are both casual systems since both had poor 3rd party support and poor 3rd party sales.

Lastly, Nintendo Fans are core gamers. You can't discredit us simply because we enjoy Nintendo games. This is what Rol meant by Damage control, and bending and redifing terms. You're trying to disprove this article and argument by claiming Nintendo games aren't core games therefore all the the increase in sales is because of New Nintendo fans and not core gamers. When in reality Nintendo fans and core gamers are one in the same.

 

If a system sells more its going to...wait for it, sell more games, thats just common sense. I never said that Ninty abandoned the core i dont agree with those who said, if anyone read what i wrote i even said they made the same types of games they always made and added, the WIisports and such and those games generally speaking sold way more than even Ninty's core games. 

Again this isnt about who is to blame since i never even brought that up all i said the article was flawed since it ignored those games which make up most of the library and no if you are trying to prove that core gamers didnt abandon the Wii you have to actually account for the ENTIRE library, the fact that they dont address 3rd party games in a discussion about a console, shows that something aint adding up. Ninty fans are not going to abandon the console. Again its not about whose fault is what. WHy do people keep going there?

Would you consider those people who bought the WIi solely for WiiSPorts, FIt and the like as core gamers? WOuld you consider them Ninty fans? ARe you really going to sit there and say the WIi wasnt popular because it atrracted non traditional gamers? Even though numbers show thats the kind of games that sold the best, this is why looking at 3rd party is important because they made a lot of those WIiType games and they sold well. Its like people want to ignore that segment for some reason. And as you say the core games 3rd party did make were watered down so dont you think that some people would have gotten a system that that wasnt the case? Not saying they stopped playing Wii altogeter.

1. And if the "core" games sales go up then.. wait for it, the core audience has increased. The fact that Wii sports and the like are the best selling games doesn't disprove that the system only had a casual audience. The core audience was strong on the Wii as evidenced by the "core" games.

2. You really have this obsession with 3rd party games don't you. Like as if they're all important.Well on Nintendo platforms there really not that important. Look, while I agree it would have been nice to have some 3rd party data in the article, it really doesn't make much of a difference if 3rd party "core" games sales were poor. We already have evidence that Nintendo's first party games sold exponetially better then previous generations. So if the "core" gamer didn't buy 3rd party Wii games they just abandoned them for the first party wii games or went to the 360 and PS3. It still doesn't change the fact that more "core" games sold on the Wii then previous Nintendo systems.

3. I consider those people to be casual and non Nintendo fans. I agree that the Wii was popular because it attracted non traditional gamers. It also attracted more core gamers then the gamecube or N64. I wan't bunching all the casuals who bought the Wii for Wii sports as Nintendo fans/core gamers. I was reffering to the gamer who likes and buys Nintendo's core franchises i.e Mario Kart, Smash Bros. Kirby.