If Hitchen's challenge is correct, then why are there ethical lapses?

[Torillian]

BenVTrigger said:

Torillian said:

BenVTrigger said:

You exist OUTSIDE of your creation, not within it.  In fact this is true of everything.  If you paint a picture, if you build a sculpture, or design a video game.  In every case you yourself exist wholly seperate from the creation.  The entire point atheism makes about god cant be real because you cant observe him defies both logic and science.  Whatever created the Universe would never exist inside it.

What if I build a house?

Then you CAN go inside it.  You dont have to though and the concept of your existance doesnt hinge on if someone can see you.  Whoever lives in the house will assume theres a builder by seeing your creation.  They dont have to directly observe you in order for it to be true

But all that means is we can't disprove something that exists outside the laws of what we know.  Which is true since you take away every tool we've ever come up with for measuring or observing things around us.  That doesn't prove there is such a thing, just that we can't make you stop believing in it.  If I said that the land of My Little Pony was in another dimension you couldn't really disprove that either.

Also, the true view from a science perspective (which is the bulk of what atheism is based on) is that we just don't know how the universe came to be, but we're working on it.  it's true that science has not yet reached a satisfactory understanding of what that beginning was like, but it doesn't mean we should just assume some god did it.  That defeats the whole purpose.