What is the answer to radical Islam? This is NOT an anti Islam thread

[Slimebeast]

the2real4mafol said:

Slimebeast said:

Restrict immigration from islamic countries to the West. Do not let muslims build mosques with tall minarets or call to prayer in Europe, and don't give them special rights that threaten the democratic prinicples of the West.

Why should they be limited just because they are muslim? Surely that is just fascism. I though freedom of movement was a human right. and also most muslims are good hard working people, why should they be stopped. and why should they be banned from building mosques? It's their culture and religion. Surely some cultural diversity is a good thing. Ignorance of our differences is what leads to hatred.

And finally, what makes you think Muslims are anti-democratic. They are very people that are fighting for democracy. Ever heard of the Arab spring? People in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Qatar and Syria and some other countries are fighting for democracy. In think, there is still a civil war going on in Syria, just for democracy and because people had enough of the despot Al Assad. Democracy is not exclusive to the west anymore, i don't think it ever was.  

Fascism? That's ridiculous.

FOY freedom of movement into any country in the world is not a human right.

Yes, most muslims are good people, but among the whole group of people immigrating from some muslim countries there are obviously a number of trouble makers that cause a lot of problems in our societies. So if immigration from muslim countries on average brings problems to Europe (not so much USA because unlike European countries USA a nation designed for immigration and is much much better at handling its implications with stronger law enforcemet etc etc), then a reasonable solution to address that problem is to restrict immigration.

I am for freedom of religion and I didn't say I am for a ban against building mosques (but I would restrict the number of mosques when necessary), I said I am against tall minarets (because of the symbolical value they have in the sky-line in transforming our culture) and against mosques being allowed auditory call-to-prayer announcements that can be heard over the neighborhoods.

Between muslims there are different interpretations of the Quran and how to design a muslim society, and a significant part of muslims belong to a group that is harder to integrate with Western principles.

The Arab sping so far has replaced traditional dictators with a questionable form of theocracy rather than democratic societies in the Western sense.