| Daisuke72 said: Dude do you hear yourself? You're making assumptions that VGLeaks read the graph wrong, and the Nextbox will have a GPU more powerful than AMD's Flagship card, which costs $400+ and consumes a ton of energy and generates lots of heat, in a successor to a console that had heat issues, and it's only strength was being cheaper than the other alternative. Also, I stated in my post that after discoutnts they'd most likely be forking out $300 for this GPU which is more powerful than a $450 GPU. I'm not stating anything as a fact, all I'm saying is that you're reaching for something to prove the leaks are wrong. The leaks may be wrong, but the alternative that you're proposing simply won't happen.
Think about it for a second...no, not happening. |
Did you actually read any of the links I posted. All were from VGleaks and they contain very inaccurate info. Yes, I am making an assumption based on the information provided by VGleaks which everyone is claiming as accurate. The key is that I am doing nothing different then the people who are also making claims that the Nextbox will be exactly as VGleaks claimed based on their article.
The difference is I read the whole thing and found inaccurate information. 3 conclusions can be drawn from this. Either VG read the data wrong, or they do not know what they are talking about, or the information is incorrect. The key is you have no clue as to what conclusion to draw. How can I or anyone determine if an SC is a collection of 4 SIMD which would make that a CU in AMD terms if VGleaks explanation of the SIMD has it executing 64 threads per cycle which is what a CU does. IF that is the case then either VGleaks do not know what they are talking about or they do not know the difference between a SIMD and a CU on AMD hardware. You can go and read it yourself. If VGleaks do not know what they are talking about then which graph is correct. Where did the graph come from and who made it. I am not just talking about the motherboard diagram but the one that shows the specs as well. Common sense does not play when you are dealing with a rumor because the data could be false. If this was the revealed specs from MS and VG just got their data wrong then you can use basic common sense to make a decision on the data. When the data is unconfirmed then you either ignore that its wrong or you throw it away until it can be verified.
You keep telling me how unrealistic for MS to pay for a 400 dollar card, which is also incorrect since it will only be the actual APU they will be purchasing not the card itself. MS isn't even using GDDR5 memory which is configured for the 7970 card so your price estimate, power consumption is not even close to what may be obtained. Anyway thats neither here or there
The arugument still stands that the Source info needs to be correct in order to view the source as creditable. When the source cannot do proper research then who can say if that souce even know what they are talking about.
You on the other hand is only looking at one thing I have stated but throwing everything else out the window because you have no reply. So ask yourself, if VG cannot get very simple info correct, how can you trust them as a source for information.
I actually did a lot of digging and I could not find any diagram from AMD that matches the one on VGleaks including the break down of the SC. So I have to make a conclusion that they made that part up on the site based on information given form a source or these are exact diagrams from MS which breaks away from AMD GNC design charts.
So before you start throwing common sense at me again take a look at this diagram of the SC on Durango
http://www.vgleaks.com/durango-gpu/sc_durango/
Now compare that diagram with this diagram from AMD GNC CU
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4455/amds-graphics-core-next-preview-amd-architects-for-compute/4
Notice how on the VGleaks durango break down of a SC that it has 4 VSP. Well I am going to use some common sense and say that a VSP is a Vector Scalar processor. If so, isnt that the same thing as the AMD GNC diagram shows within a CU. The CU has 4 Vector SIMD that those 4 make up on CU unity.
The VGCharts show a SIMD on the SC has 4 VSP units that make up the SIMD. Now if you do some digging you will see that a Vector Scalar Processor is exactly what is shone within the GNC next diagram from AMD as a 16 Wide Vector SIMD. In other words, this diagram from VGleaks displays what appers to be 4 CUs array in a SC.
So the question is still there. Where does this diagram come from because you will not findit anywhere else on the net. Its either created by VGleaks or Its created by the source how revealed the leak to VG or its from MS. Either way it appers to diagram something different then the conclusion of the article.
