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ishiki on 31 March 2013
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osed125 said:
ishiki said:

The liked the ending. But I've seen versions before.

My main question is,

There's 1 humungous point of divergence, the baptism. Two universes that diverge more later on.

1) Where he becomes comstock. This gets destroyed. But, why can't Booker just take all the elizabeths and be big happy family,  instead of the elizabeths killing booker, and thus killing themself? I guess if I looked at other time travel things. No matter what they do he will always become comstock because of convergence, and always be locked in their tower until false shepard frees her. But why can't they continue you on after that? I know it can get quite messy with elizabeth's powers.

2) Where he's a good daddy. But wouldn't this universe exist anyways, just not the booker you played with in the videogame. 

My complaint about the ending

The thing that doesn't have to do with the ending being clever, or having holes. Is that the ending pretty much discards the current elizabeths relationship(and the best thing about the game imo), the current booker relationship for the sake of a twist (albeit good twist), and there is never really a conclusion between the two characters that you grew with during the story because elizabeth after the siphon is destroyed becomes omnipressent and that's the last you see of the elizabeth that you grew with, so to me it was emotionally unsatisfying.

You're supposed to be happy, because booker gets reunited with his daughter, but didn't that universe exist before the game? and that booker isn't the booker that was with you during the game.

I understand

1) That would have been a very cliche ending. Besides, if 1 Booker and a few Elizabeths are happy it doesn't mean the other millions will be. It would have been selfish (and would have created more holes to the story) to have only 1 Booker being happy and the rest still looking for Elizabeth, there's no real redemption in that.

2) I don't understand your point here.

That's the point of the ending. It doesn't do the typical "happy ever after" Hollywood ending. It does give a "happy" ending (although that last sequence in open for debate), and at the same time, the sad ending (knowing that adult Elizabeth and Columbia will no longer exist). I guess this depends on your personal taste, do you prefer the cliche ending or the sad not expected ending. I personally prefer the latter because I'm tired of the typical ending in video games and movies. 

1)That doesn't mean that the booker's that kept anna would be happy either, unless for some arbitrary reason none of the alternate universes had booker or anna being unhappy. In Universes A) Some booker and elizabeth's would be happy some wouldn't, B) Wouldn't some elizabeths and booker inevitably end up with an unhappy life too? 

2) My issue is, Elizabeth's relationship was the best thing about the game for me. The quantum/time travel was well fairly well done, but not more so than a movie I would give 3.5 stars (Looper). It's obviously a preference. There was nothing wrong terribly wrong with the ending from a mechanical standpoint, and is really quite good for a videogame. Just imo, it abandoned the games strengths for an ending I've seen before though not frequently, that's my criticism.

To say I want a hollywood ending is idiotic, and non hollywood endings are really quite available to see.
Looper has an ending that's extremely similar to this, but was more emotionally satisfying and still had issues. 12 monkeys has an ending that's similar to this. Lust, Caution, Oldboy, Infernal Affairs, Pan's Labyrinth, Ghost In The shell, blade runner different story's with not typical endings that are my favorite movies. Stein's gate is visual novel game like thing, which has like 9 endings caused by various consequences of time traveling, specifying the rules a little more clearly.