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Mensrea on 30 March 2013
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curl-6 said:
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Mensrea said:

If you are going to disregard Wind Waker, then I'm distregarding Skyward Sword. In no way is SS better than WW. It's linear, has forced motion controls that add nothing, is loaded to the gills with filler, is uglier than WW, has no good sidequests, and a weak story.

WW combat is better thanks to parry system. SO much to explore, and so much to explore that is completely optional. Excellent sidequests. A simple, yet good story with the best gannondorf in the series. To top it all off, it's the best looking Zelda in the series. The dungeons get the slight edge in SS, but really it's not by a wide margin. They are all excellent. Also, lol Fi ruined the game in a lot of ways. No annoying guide in WW. 

As far as JRPG's god, Baten Kaitos is about as good of a game as Xenoblade, sure it's not quite there, but it's right up there. You can't just discredit it.  Cube also has a lot more JRPG's, and they are all pretty damn good.

TP swinging was not more fun than a button tap at all. It was fun for five minutes, but it was a gimmick that I wished I could have turned off.

Better handling? I didn't notice that at all. That is a wash like I said before.

Wii sports resort is not a really good game. It's casual garbage. I played all the minigames once, and then put it down. It merely used 1:1 motion, it's not like it used it in a way that benefitted fun gameplay. It was a glorified tech demo.

I wouldn't say absolute garbage, but alright. 

So let's count the "Masterpieces"

GCN has: Metroid Prime 1, Metroid Prime 2, Eternal Darkness, F-Zero GX, Wind Waker, Pikmin 2,

Wii has: Super Mario Galaxy 1+2 Xenoblade and Donkey Kong Country and I guess we'll count these even though I think they suck Metroid Prime 3, Skyward Sword

So am I missing something here? Cube had just as many "masterpieces", and they were IMO much higher quality.

Linearity with tight design like in Skyward Sword is better than WindWaker's big boring ocean. That andf 1:1 sword control that actually connected the player to the action, and graphics with more than Wind waker's grand total of 5-6 garish colours on screen at once.

Wii Sports Resort was terrific fun; 1:1 virtual swordplay was a quantum leap, the likes of which was envisioned at the Wii's birth but finally came to fruition with WSR. Moving a virtual sword precisely with your own hand, that was sci-fi stuff the gen before. I can't count the number of hours me, my family, and my frends sepent with that game.

Metroid Prime 2 was held back from being a masterpiece by its excessive backtracking and unbalanced difficulty.

Exploration is the core of the Zelda franchise. SS had none It ruined it for me and many others, but it's fine if you prefer it.

Connected player to the action, PR speech right there. SS combat was terrible. 

Wii Sports Resort is not what anyone wanted except casuals.

Backtracking is what makes Metroid great, seeing something, coming back and being able to interact with it with your new tools. If you don't like it, you don't like Metroid. And it was actually challenging, which was a refreshing change.

Exploration doesn't work for me unless there's something interesting around every corner, and too much of WW was empty.

Not PR speak, my experience. It felt great to cut down enemies with my own movements, and having 8 directional attacks and  stab made for more strategic fights that weren't just based on hitting A within a time window.

As a core gamer, I loved Wii Sports Resort. And so what if it's for casuals? They deserve to have their fun too.

I didn't mind the backtracking in Prime 3, (or skyward sword) because I could revisit places quickly using the ship. (or the bird) But trudging for half an hour through old zones to get to one place? That gets tedious for me. Backtracking is good when it's streamlined, in Prime 2 it was just too time consuming. And there's a difference between being challenging (e.g. Monster Hunter) and unbalanced. (Prime 2) It's still a good game, as it got most everything else right, but I feel these flaws hold it back from achieving the greatness of Prime 1 & 3.

Well, I disagree with you. But I don't have anything left to argue XD. Kudos to a good conversation.