Put a fork in the Wii U, it is done. [Sensible discussion only, no flaming]

[JakDaSnack]

Captain_Tom said:

So much fail!  Where do I start:

-First you start by basically admitting my 15-40 mil is probably right

-People left for the 360 since they had no accounts to leave behind.  Now they do.

-This gen isn't over.  The Wii will probably reach ~102m, and the PS3 WILL reach 90m and could reach 105m to just barily win this gen.  The entire time it has sold for far more than the Wii.  The fact that it will even come close basically debunks your price claim.

-PSN and LIVE have far more indy support now than Nintendo EVER will.  Also PC is the home of indy.  It feels like a new indy game comes out every other day on steam (Not exagerating) .

so much for no flame wars:/ 

oh well, I didn't start by "basically admitting your 15-40 mil" is probably right, I said, 40 mil isn't bad.  And I even clarified what I meant at the end, which you ignored, as well as all my other points.....oh well, you clearly want a flame war and not a debate.  If you are interested in knowing what my points were, I encourage you to re-read my post, don't worry, I quoted it above.

"the fact that it will even come close basically debunks your price claim"  First off, no it doesn't, second off, wtf price claim?  My claim is based off power not price, the gamecube was much cheaper than the ps2 but the ps2 rofl stomped all over the gamecube.  In that regards, you debunked nothing, you claim that the ps3 can sell 25-30 million before Sony stops production, which will probaly be in 3-4 years, and you are assuming that Nintendo will stop prodution on the wii much sooner than that, and the ps3 will pass it.  That's a TON of assumptions, if this does happen, then you can say the ps3 sold more copies than the wii, and everyone else will just say the generation was over a long time ago.  Because it was....but that's a different arguement, and one I wont take part of.  one of which has no baring on the current debate.

Remember, I'm saying the weakest console has always won, and will win,  and for the time that the wii was supported, the wii dominated,  that's like running a marathon, winning the marathon, but the guy who got 3rd kept running for another 15 miles, while you went home and celebrated, and then claimed to have won because he ran farther....I'm sorry but that's not how things work.

Anyways, you claim that because of psn and xbox live, that sony and microsoft will sell a lot more, because wii owners aren't required to move onto the wiiU.

ok, how many xbox live and psn accounts are there?  I honestly don't know but I do know it's a lot less than units sold.  Now how many of them actually care about what they have on live, as oppose to the games they own.  Remember, no backwards compatability so any game you purchased on your psn account, you can't play on your ps4.  Unlike the wiiU where you can play wiiware games on the wiiU.  That number will then go down a lot more.  I would recon that all the psn and live usuers that actually care about being able to keep their accounts is maybe a 4th of the actual users, so we are talking maybe 10-20 million.

While that will help them next gen, It wont be what causes them to win next gen.

As for indy games, I never said that the wiiU was king of indy games, I said that indy developers are really liking the wiiU and seems like every day a new indy dev says they are planning on developing a game for the wiiU.  As for pc, that is a completely different topic, so please stay on course.

Ok, you clearly are trying to cause a flame war, even though I specifically ask you not to, even you said you didn't want one.  If you are going to continue a flame war, I will ignore you and you will be a flat out liar.  If you want a debate, don't start things out as "so much fail" and make sure to clarify what are "opinions" "facts" and "predicitons"  saying that the ps3 WILL eventually pass the wii is a "prediction" and does not prove my point wrong. Saying that the psn and live have more indy support than the wiiU ever will is also a prediction and doens't prove my point wrong, that also goes off topic as I didn't say that the wiiU will WIN next gen, I said they will do well compared to the ps4 and 720.  And don't ignore my points, I responded to all your points, and made it very clear what are predictions, facts, and opinions.

Actually half way through your post I decided I am gonna ignore you because you are clearly ignorant (Not stupid).  You have no idea that there are 30m+ 360 gold accounts or that there are 40m highly active PSN accounts that spend money.  You cant even imagine how much people invested into these accounts including achievments, friends, and other media to ever just leave it all behind.  

 

Maybe "fail" was not needed, but I just don't know what else to say to so many errors and inaccuracies.  Also we are comparing how well one console is doing compared to others. Periode.  If the PS3 keeps selling till 2020, it all counts because SONY is still making money off of all of them.  A "Console War" is not a race, it is a competition to see who can build the tallest tower.

 

P.S.  Look up the Wii's sales from last year.  They were around 4-5m total which is god awful, and the current monthly trends put 2013's sales at less than 2m.  It will crawl past 100m in the middle of summer and stay around there.  Come back this summer when you want to say I was right...

you decided to ignore me halfway through my post because you think i'm ignorant?  Interesting, you don't want a flame war, but you accuse someone who is ignorant, based solely on the fact that he never referred to the amount of live and psn subscriptions?  That is what we call arrogance, you say I had a lot of errors and inaccuracies, but so far you have yet to prove that i even made 1 innacurate statement.  All you have commented about are things I left out,  and then called me ignorant, I'm sorry but you lost my respect.   Nothing I said was inaccurate, I never said the ps3 wouldn't pass the wii, which you are currently claiming I did, I never said that live accounts and psn account wont factor in.  But you are claiming that all of the 70 million combined users are not willing to abandon their accounts.  What you don't realize is that they don't go away if they don't buy a ps4/720.  They still have 360's and ps3's....they can still use them on their consoles.  And honestly, who's to say that the 360 and ps3 aren't supported for the next 5 years, and who's to say all of those people buy wiiU's simply because all of the first party games for the 720 and ps4 are being ported to the 360 and ps3.  I mean, the gap is much closer this time around.  

Keep in mind, that your original point was that the wiiU would sell between 15-40 million, and that my original point was that the wiiU would have comparable if not better sales than the 720 and ps4.  Everything you have said since your original post have greatly changed this topic.  You are trying to argue that the ps3 will sell more than the wii before the ps3 ends, which is completely off topic, and now you are saying that this summer, so 3 months from now, the ps3 will sell 25 million units, which according to you they are selling 2m every month, so how 6-12million equals 25 million is beyond me, you also are trying to argue about what determines the winner of a console war, which I specifically said I didn't want to talk about.  And your first paragraph was about how ignorant I am for not posting anything about the amount of live and psn subscribers, which all that could possibly do is anger me, which it didn't because it's off topic and i'm actually enjoying the fact that you are changing the subject, it proves I am winning this debate, at least according to you with your comment about changing the subject to the 3ds = having nothing else to say.

Anways, You clearly are not a respectable person who I can have an honest debate with, you have proven nothing I said wrong, you have blatently said you ignored my points, and have called me several names which not only aren't true, but you have no reason to believe they are other than assumptions.  Good day sir, but unless you apologize(thus earning my respect back) and agree to have an actual debate AND stay on track, then we are done here.