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Mazty on 18 March 2013
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DanneSandin said:
Mazty said:

Yeah it does. Something like Heavy Rain is easy (can't really fail) but mature. Are you telling me that's a casual game?

Exactly my point. You are all saying that a handful of exclusives will shift the Wii U. That's absurd. Simply put the Wii U does not have a large enough line up to be successful imo as even in best case scenarios it won't shift many consoles unless something radically changes.

I think there's a difference in being successful and ending up in 3rd place; they're not mutually exclusive. Nintendo can end up in 3rd place (quite likely) but they can still be successful. I would never call the PS3 a success since it lost so much money for Sony and lost a lot of market share as well. All in all PS3 was a failure, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a good console with good sales. I think you lack perspective when you say that Wii U won't be successful. As long as it makes Nintendo money it'll be more of a success than PS3, and possibly PS4 and Xbox720.

So the console that helped secure Sony the next-gen optical format and has sold over 70 mill isn't a success....how? Lost market share =/= failure. It's not as if they have 10% of the market. Also the PS3 hardware started turning over a profit summer 2010...
"All in all the PS3 was a failure" - I'm guessing you don't understand business? Almost a 3rd of the market, secured bluray and the base hardware started turning a profit a few years ago. How is that a failure? 

Personally I think the Wii U will shift less then 25 mill units. I can't see it actually making Nintendo money yet I see it pushing core gamers away from the Nintendo label onto either MS or Sony. Losing your fan base and not making money? Now that IS a failure. I doubt a handful of expected franchise titles will help save it either - as I said if every single SSB fan went out and bought a Wii U, we're only talking about 10 million consoles. The great thing with the PS360 is that you can say with a straight face that it's likely that those who like CoD may not be into other highly selling series such as Fifa, GT or Uncharted.

 

curl-6 said:

Core and casual are gameplay styles; casual games can be easily picked up a played by inexperienced gamers, and have simple gameplay that doesn't require long term investment or effort, core is the opposite. Whether a game is rated E or M is uttery beside the point. Heavy Rain is only core because it's not accessible. There are M rated casual games, and E rated core games.

To say that every Wii U will be shifted by SSB alone is absurd. But SSB, and 3D Mario, and HD Zelda, and Mario Kart, and X,and Metroid/Pikmin/etc, isn't absurd at all. A large portion of the sales of any Nintendo console can be accounted for by less than a dozen key games.

Examples plx. If you are going to make such a statement please back it up. 

The issue with those titles are is that the SSB fans tend to be 3D Mario fans who tend to be Zelda fans etc etc meaning the net increase in Nintendo console owners is very little. This could be a reason why both the N64 and GC didn't really sell all that well. This is the reason why I think people expecting each title to cause a spike in console sales aren't being realistic about who is attracted by the nintendo franchises,.