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Jaywood2010 on 01 March 2013
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pokoko said:
JayWood2010 said:
pokoko said:

I would hardly call one glib comment "ranting".  I just thought it interesting how Xbox repeatedly "changed gaming forever", and how you listed things for it like downloadable content and video streaming when they're also on other consoles.  It was kind of amusing and made it sound as though Sony and Nintendo had done very little to alter the course of the industry.  Calm yourself.

And no, that's not where online console gaming started, though I definitely give Microsoft credit for bringing competitive multiplayer to consoles.


If Im correct, Dreamcast had live?  Could be wrong on that.  PC is what started online but it wasnt mainstream.  The first successful online service for consoles was xbox mainly because of Halo.

And no you are just reading too much into what I was saying.  Do you honestly think that XBL/Achievements didnt change gaming?  I thought it was implied that PSN has been similar to XBL?  Just for you I will add an extra sentence though.

Yes, the Dreamcast was where it started, especially with Phantasy Star Online and Quake, not to mention having a web browser and other online functions, such as watching video.  The Xbox gave it a push, but Sega started it.  The PS2 probably did the most to make it popular.

As someone who doesn't care about achievements/trophies at all, though, I would say that they haven't changed gaming, only added to it.  Millions of people wouldn't notice if achievements/trophies went away tomorrow.  However, I do agree that they add something for many others, and Nintendo is making their games less attractive to those people by not having their own version.


Ill agree with most of that.  I dont know about online on PS2 doing the most though.  I guess that is more of opinion though. I think Halo pushed it the most and now Call of duty.  Socom was pretty big on Ps2 though and helped as well.

I had a dreamcast but i never played online unfortunately.  I always fealt like it was ahead of its time though and i really whish it would have been a success.

And yeah Achievements/Trophies are only an addition and while many people dont care about them, many people do care about them at the same time.  It shouldnt be that dificult for Nintendo to add an achievement system.