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joeorc said:

happydolphin you cannot have it both way's, the point of a invention is to fill a area where something was created for a use, the point of innovation is creative use's of such invention's.


"the patent doesn't mention cameras"

in the patent it shows a camera attaching to a cellphone! there is a picture right in the patent! as a method for expansion to handheld device such as PDA's; even adding to a desktop PC 's and adding portable Camera's to Cellphone's! two year's before JUPITOR AND nINTENDO MADE THE GAME BOY CAMERAfor the Game boy does that mean the concept of adding it to a game console was Nintendo's alone? or does it mean that Nintendo released it first?

AGAIN Concept and innovation are not the same thing!.

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The first use of it on a handheld is Ninty's, as it is the first use of it on a gaming console"

and did PDA's like palm pilot's play Game's? Look im not saying that Nintendo is not innovative, they had the world's smallest camera on a handheld  @ one time but on the same token you cannot give a blanket Innovative "carte blanche" Label to Nintendo That everyone else just copy's and just giving the blank statement that other's are just copying Nintendo, when its not true at all. A dedicated Game handheld and a PDA both play games. both as you can see had concepts to add a camera to them, that does not mean other's copied Nintendo on the concept.

the concept of doing it for Game console's is like did an application or concept oR method OF USE for the Game console mean that it was done on the game console first before it was done on the PC ?

when they designed this camera did it start on the gameboy or did it start on a PC? in its design?

thus HP has a patent to add camera's to a handheld device predate the Gameboy Camera by 2 year's does that mean that HP was the first one to think of said concept? it does not mean out right No. But on the same token just because Jupiter Corporation developed a camera for a handheld that Nintendo was making called the Gameboy does not mean outright Nintendo created the very concept of putting out a Camera on a game console and that they were the only one's to come up with the idea.. It just means they may have beat someone else to the market first!

In that case, the webcam itself predates HS's application of it on a handheld.

Do we actually have information on Nintendo's GB Cam patents prior to release?

Assuming the impossible, that Nintendo patented this at the same time as release of the GB Camera, I'm willing to concede that the use of a webcam on a multi-purpose device (whether handheld or PC) predates the GB Camera. How much that has bearing in the GB Cam vs Eyetoy vs Kinect is really questionable.

Sure the multi-purpose device can play games, but did it, was that a primary use of the device? Remember, HS's were used in a business application first and foremost. A much better argument is PC-based webcam games that began quite early (something like 1996).

I'm not sure how honest this argument is in the context of video game consoles, be they handheld or not.

Also, the idea of copying is much more comprehensible in the context of direct competition (like the big 3 for example).