Dodece said:
pimpcoop said:
Dodece said:
@pimpcoop
I haven't posted a single negative comment about the Wii U. Not before the launch or after the launch. I genuinely couldn't care less one way or the other, and I don't care about this little rivalry between Sony and Nintendo fans, but I will tell you what I can't stand. Nintendo fans blaming third parties for not doing the job that Nintendo is supposed to do itself. It isn't incumbent on third party developers to give the platform or the brand a chance. Nintendo should have to sell them on the platform.
I honestly don't know which is worse the fans sense of entitlement, or the complacency with which Nintendo approaches the market. What I do know is this Nintendo can't just expect others to make their platform rounded. That is something they have to do for themselves, and that starts with Nintendo becoming a well rounded developer. If they continually churn out family friendly kiddie games. Then developers will see their platforms as both skewed and cornered, and they will be reluctant to develop for them.
Nintendo has to create a market for others to thrive in, and it is their job to prove that market out, and if that means casting off the image they themselves have fostered. Then that is what it is going to take. Lets be honest about something really important here. Nintendo treats the market like it is straight out of the Eighties, and that the key demographic for games is still twelve years old. That isn't today's market, and that isn't what third party developers are striving to create games for.
Other manufacturers don't have this kind of problem. They don't expect others to balance out their platforms. The do it for themselves. Both Microsoft and Sony are equally adept at providing games that cater to both mature and younger audiences without seemingly taxing themselves. Only Nintendo seems to have a problem with offering up a balanced first party offering.
I know some Nintendo fans may throw a shit fit at the idea that they might get a few less Mario games in a given year, but guess what life sucks get a helmet. If you want a healthier diet on the platform then some of the sweets need to get kicked to the curb. You don't see Microsoft or Sony complaining let alone their fans about the balance that has to be met to make their platforms welcoming to everybody.
Stop blaming third parties for what Nintendo is doing wrong, and own up to your responsibility as a fan of their platform. If you continually reinforce and reward their single minded devotion to their current ideal. You are just feeding into the very well established stereotype about the consoles audience. Namely that they are only really interested in typical Nintendo games.
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First off part of your post is only part correct. There are a portion of Nintendo fans that buy and complain that there are not enough first party games. A good portion of people buy all different types of games. I own the wiiu and own a nintendo land that came with the system. Then I bought Call of Duty and do not own a Nintendo wiiu first party game.
Now what some (NOT ALL) 3rd party companies do is make a game really crappy game or just a port of a popular game on to a Nintendo console. So what happens is that the game really sucks so no one buys it. Also if the game is a port like a lot of the wiiu launch games. Well then why would someone pay 400 for a port game when you can buy a ps360 if you do not have it to play that port game and tons of more games that the Wiiu has at the moment. Then 3rd parties see low sales or profite on the wiiu or any nintendo console for its game. So they say o I guess people who own a nintendo console only want first party nintendo games and not ares. So they do not make any more games for Nintendo.
You can't just blame all of this on Nintendo and saying it is there fault. Yes they do cator a little bit more to the younger kids, but at the same time adult studieos do not want to make games on the system. Nintendo knows this is a problem so they released ZombiU. Look at the Wiiu right now. It is an HD console. It has multiple differnt type of controlers. It has an Eshop and online play. There should be no reason why a 3rd party would not want to make a bucks on the Wiiu console. Look at Rayman Legends that is on the same leval as Little big planet. They delayed it only to make more money on other console. See 3rd party devs do not care about screwing us people who might want it. Only about making more money off the game.
To me it seems like you want to blame it all on Nintendo and say since you do not make 3rd party devs welcomed. Well they are not coming to you. Nintendo is trying everything to get more adult 3rd party games this gen, but the devs just laugh and joke about Nintendo. They call them names or just make a crappy game to say they made something for Nintendo. I can tell you right now if Nintendo got a decent third party game or multi platform game it would sell really well.
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Show me where I said there were no such players on the platform, because my commentary was fairly bereft about players beyond the point that they feel a sense of entitlement, and frankly your main argument is one of entitlement. You think that third party developers should give you what you want just, because you are there. Which isn't to say that they haven't made good faith efforts in the past usually to disastrous results. Some of them really tried to give the player base original, mature, quality titles. The player base rejected those efforts utterly.
That isn't any kind of a exaggeration either. As far as the Wii is concerned not a single mature title cracked the top fifty on the platform. Even with the platform being as wanting as it was. Half of the top fifty titles came out of Nintendo. Call of Duty only sold a paltry two million units on a console with a hundred million in sales at this point. The highest selling franchise in gaming on the other two platforms barely squeeked out a two percent sellthrough. The Game Cube wasn't much better might I add.
Further more don't blow smoke up my ass. Nintendo caters to that demographic a whole fucking lot. They didn't get the derisive monicker kiddie for nothing. Almost every title they develop first party is rated E for Everybody, and that is a indisputable fact. Further more how can you think that those developers should take the matter seriously. When Nintendo itself isn't, and hasn't for well over a decade. You are right that Nintendo is trying everything, but only up to the point where they would actually have to get their hands dirty. Begging others to do the wet work form isn't what the situation calls for. Third parties have basically been conned into doing it in the past only to get their teeth kicked in by Nintendo, and the fans of the brand.
No I am sorry Nintendo is at fault here, and they have to get over themselves. They created the toxic environment, and it is up to them, and only them to clean up the mess they have made. They need to stop being the one man show, and they need to create a diverse ecosystem to encourage a diverse player base on their platform. Nobody else is going to do it for them. Given the fact that just about everyone has gotten burned in the past for even trying to do so. Nintendo needs to start churning out first party mature hits. For the industry to even take the platform seriously.
Third party developers aren't screwing you over. That is on Nintendo and your fellow players. When titles like No More Heroes, and Madworld cannot crack a million in sales on the Wii. What makes you think any rational third party developer would stick their hand into that fire. If you don't want the Wii U to become yet another kiddie console. Then you need to look to Nintendo to mend its ways. Honestly I think you have bought the wrong console, or are expecting things from the console that weren't likely to happen in the first place. This is kind of a either or situation. Until Nintendo itself gets really serious about doing both.
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