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Player1x3 on 08 February 2013
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dsgrue3 said:
Player1x3 said:

I would expect some evidence, no matter how insignificant. But there isn't any.

Wheres faith in that? Why would God ever show himself in the way atheists demand? Not only would that defeat the whole purpose of faith/Christianity, but it would completly change our species forever...and not in a good way im afriad

Stating that a higher power is a likely existence is completely inaccurate. Why do you state this as if it were true?

So you think that everything that came to exist today in our universe and our planet came origianlly from nothing and it was all an accident?? Let me tell you, THAT is highly unlikely, Do the math. Existance of a higher power (of any kind) is billion times more likely than that. 

The point was that you falsely stated that atheists deny the existence of God - this is blatantly fallacious and slanderous to their viewpoint. (I agree, a theist can take an agnostic stance with logic/philosophy but I've never received experience with such a situation).

Atheism by definition, denies the belief in God, as in Athests dont thnik a God exists

Player1x3 said:

Well you said how he used real world examples to prove how stupid theists are...so why not use both sides of the story. He intentionally picked only the bad sides, when its obvious that the good side outweights the bad (today at least, it wasnt always the case)

 

I never said stupid. Good outweighing bad doesn't make the bad go away and that is what he wanted to bring to your attention.

No, he wanted to point out to something that was completly irrelevant to my point.

 



You admit there isn't any evidence and then proceed to attempt to rationalize why there is no evidence. This is really odd to read. 

I don't pretend to know how the Universe came to be, but I know the best possible scientific explanation for humans - look into abiogenesis and phylogeny. It certainly does not require a Creator.

Yes atheism is disbelief in God. Disbelief in his existence, that isn't remotely the same as denying existence of God. I wouldn't do that, nor would any rational person. I would never say God doesn't exist, I will always say I do not belief he exists.

PS: Can you stop replying within the quotation?


I said theres no evidence in the way Atheists demand it to be.And it probably never will be. Just as theres never going to be any evidence to support otherwise I can say that in my spiritual life and development I've encounterd tons of evidence for God. But this evidence would hold no ground on discussions such as this, so I dont present it as an actual evidence because its from my personal experience and it would be meaningless to a 2nd party . You'd have to believe to understand it.

Im somewhat fimiliar with Abiogenesis and phylogeny. But these have nothing to do with the Creation of Universe (which triggered everything in its existance and thus ultimately led to these 2 things), but with evolution of species on our planet, which i fully accept and recognize. I dont see how does that in anyway contradict or disprove a Creator, care to explain ? Why cant biology and nature be God's work too?

By not believing in God, you deny his existance, maybe not on an objective level, but on subjective