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pezus said:
Kenology said:
VGKing said:
Kenology said:

That sort of double standard happens alot around here though.

For example:  with the Vita is was - "wait for Vita Heaven", "wait for E3", "wait for GDC", "wait until after Xmas", and now "wait until Soul Sacrifice".  For Wii U, it's just declared doomed after two months, there's no waiting for anything.

It's some people, not all.

By now no one is making up excuses for Vita. It's selling badly and that's not going to change any time soon. Soul Sacrifice might push some systems in Japan but I don't see anyone saying this will save the system.

For Wii U, people learned from the Vita. If people don't wait it, they don't want it. There needs to be compelling games and atractive prices in order to push the Wii U. I don't see a price cut any time soon and I dont' see the big Nintendo 1st party games coming until the end of the year.

No, VGKing... YOU are not making excuses for the Vita, but generally those excuses were/are made here.  But I said that just to juxtapose the apologist sentiment toward Vita being totally different to the punitive sentiment toward Wii U.  One is doomed while the other gets the benefit of the doubt. And that was only to accentuate LilChicken22's point - which I thought was valid.

And you're kinda doing the same thing with the second part of your post though.  Wii U will have a fine future with plenty of Nintendo exclusives.  There are games to look forward to, games that WILL move units.  So that puts it in a much better position than the Vita.  I know you want to be down on the system.  And it might not be the system for you, and that's fair.  But PS3 went through this too and it turned out fine (moreso due to 3rd parties as opposed to 1st party), it'll be the same with Wii U (just moreso to 1st party rather than 3rd parties). 

Does that sound fair to you?

Wii sold well because it was something new. I think more people need to realize that. Did Gamecube not have huge Nintendo exclusives? Yes, it did. Did they help? Not much. Nintendo need to make something more than the usual Karts, Marios etc. They need another Wii Sports.

I think Gamecube didn't do well because the behemoth that was the PS2 was too much to contend with.  The Gamecube and XBox didn't really find as big an audience as Nintendo or MS would've hoped.

With the Wii, Nintendo's games coincided with humoungous boosts in hardware sales.  So yes, they're software is what pushed the Wii, even beyond the novelty of motion controls.  Even you allude to that by referencing Wii Sports. 

I think any publisher would be happy with 10 million+ sales of the "usual Karts, Marios etc."  Fans of those series' want new installments in those franchises, that's not a bad thing.