Should we Ban Guns?

[Michael-5]

dsgrue3 said:

Michael-5 said:

B) I half agree on you, without a gun, troubled individuals don't have the means to go on murder sprees.

D) How is rape victim unreliable? Not really trading homicide for rape, there is a large increase in homicides, and gun related crimes, plus a small increas in assault, and the trade off is a small increase in rape. Like I said as well, with an obesity rate as high as USA's....Is that a good reason why Rape is lower?

D-II) Yea, but if border security was that good, why do you have so many illegal imigrants? I'm under the impression that southern boarders are more poorly controled then USA/Canada's. I mean how often does a stray Cuban cross our shores?

??? To your last comment, I think all guns in general, except Rifles, should be banned. Also, my thread isn't specific towards legal/illegal gun ownership. I'm saying that USA would be a lot better off if you suddenly removed all handguns, from criminals, and law abiding citizens.

I do agree though that illegal guns are a much bigger issue then legally obtained ones, but legally obtained weapons have their way of finding themselves in the hands of a criminal. So I still think all guns should be banned, so criminals don't get legally purchased guns, through illegal means.

F) Yea, yea, but 1 case is not enough to counter my point. Mass Murders are not an accepted, or common thing in Canada, not like in the USA.

B) How can you half agree? If there are suddenly mass stabbings are you going to take away knives? Mass killings via shovel? Take away shovels?

D) Read the fine print, as I suggested. It explicitly states that rape crime is more reliable and in that regard, Canada is 15x worse than US.

D-II) It's easy to get into Canada - hard to get back in to the US FROM Canada. Why would a Cuban travel an additional thousand miles to get to Canada for a colder climate and nothing of value? Your argument is nonsensical as usual.

???? My last comment was in regard to your comment. Short memory? I'll remind you what you said:

Michael-5 said:

Why not just ban handguns?

 

I don't just randomly throw out arguments like you. Maybe try recalling what random, ill-conceived arguments you make.

Yeah, let's punish law-abiding citizens because of criminals. Do you even read what nonsense you spew?

F) You said 0 mass shootings in Canada. I cited 2. You were wrong. Own it.

 

B) How many people could you kill with a Mass Shoveling? LOL. A gun is just too easy of a mean to kill people, a Knife requires effort, and some physique. So yes, I agree you need to work on a lot of issues in the USA, Education, Mental Health, Resprct, and Tolerance, but that's going to take a long time to fix....Why not make it much harder to get guns until then?

D) I love your math . All it says in the bottom is Crime Statistics are more reliable then Victim ones, but you know what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

Boom, I wikipedia'd your ass and USA has a higher Rape rate then Canada by 15X (USA is 27.7 per 100,000, Canada is 1.7)

Also, lets gun some gun statistics because like I said killing in self defence, or my accident (e.g. Young children shooting themselves) are not included in Homicide rates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Per 100,000

USA has 10.2 Gun related Deaths, 3.6 Gun Related Homicides, 6.3 Gun Related Suicides, and 0.3 Unintentional/Undertermined Deaths
Can has 2.13 Gun related Deaths, 0.5 Gun Related Homicodes, 1.8 Gun Related Suicides, and 0.4 Unintentional/Undetermined Deaths.

So your 7X more likely to be shot, and you'll see about 3X as many suicides with guns.

You also showed me that USA has more assaults per Capita.

So yes, USA is more violent.

D-II) Canada doesn't have many illegal immigrants. Cubas don't travel thousands of kilometers to attempt to enter Canada when USA is there. Think a bit when I make a hyperbole example.

As about my point about banning handguns, that's not an arguement, it's a question. LOL Why not just ban handguns if Americans are so pro gun, and it's so important to have guns.

You're funny.