Should we Ban Guns?

[Michael-5]

dsgrue3 said:

Michael-5 said:

A) Put people with posessions of these weapons in jail, and put owners of registered guns, who can't find them in jail as well. I understand if your gun was stollen, but if it was, you shouldn't be able to apply for a new one.

B) My point was your video mentioned this, but didn't address it. Guns rarely save others.

C) Obsolete? You're just saying that because you have no counter. USA and Canada have the exact same video games. So why does this only make Americans go on mass shootings, and in general kill more?

D) ~~~~~ USA is 3rd for Assault Crimes out of developed countries, 8th for Assault Victims, and far back on rape....However I can understand why Rape rates are so low in USA with Obesity rates being so high (36% Of Americans are Obese!, this is 3x the European Average).

Yup in General, Amricans (left the e out on purpose) are among the more violent people in developed countries.

D-II) His point about mass shooting happening in places with strict gun genulations is "obselete." It completly ignores the fact that Germany has free boarders, so gun smuggling is possible, and easy.

E) You realize that spike for countries with low homicide rates is due to Scotland and Ireland? A country with serious alcholism and drug issues? Remove that and yes, there is a trend. However, I meantioned this several times, drugs and alcohol are a bigger factor.

F) So guns not on the prohibitted list were responsible for Canada's only two shootings? One of which only had 1 fatality, the other being over 20 years old? Why not get statistics from the 19th Century while you're at it lol.

FT - Yes, you should, lol. Almost all your charts have been shown to help argue my side, not yours.

A) It is illegal to own unregistered weapons already. So saying "put these people in jail" is completely worthless. (How do you find them, bud?)

B) I didn't post any videos.

C) I asked what your point was? Surely you don't think video games are a problem here...

D) Let's compare US to Canada. You're 10x more likely to get raped in Canada than the US, 2x as likely to be an assault victim, and just as likely to have assault crime. Yep, Canadians far more violent.

D-II) You basically say that any open border is susceptible to guns, but neglect to admit that closed borders are equally susceptible.

E) You realize the spike for homicide rate is because of the USA right? Look at the other countries at the top for ownership rates - all low crime, or comparable to countries where ownership rates are low.

F) You said there weren't any. I provided some. You can't change the argument afterward and then call folly. State what you mean, big guy.

I think it's pretty clear which of us is actually using facts and not some preconceived notion. 

A) True, very true. You got me here, I guess I'm being a bit idealistic then, USA is a lot different then Canada.

B) All my comments are critiques to a video posted by..... JoetheBro. I assumed when someone quoted me, it was the same person who posted the video. Why did you critisize my comment about Mass Murders being caused by poor gun regulation if you had nothing to say about it?

C) My point was that video games aren't a problem. That Video I originally pointed out critisized video games as being the problem, but Canada and USA have the exact same video games, similar economies, and....USA's Homicide rate is significantly higher. My point is that video games aren't causing violence like the video suggested. Gun Culture, and acess to guns are contributing to it though.

D) Using that same website, you're also 20X more likely to get killed by a gunshot in the USA (40% FireArm Homicide rate in USA, Canada isn't even tracked, but it's below 2.6%), 10X more likely to be killed by a gun, and only 2X more likely to get raped

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_vic-crime-rape-victims

Your own website is posting contradictory information. 15X as many rapes per capita, but the rape rate is only twice as high? (0.8% vs. 0.4%), and we have a population with an obesity rate which is less then half of yours....Kinda clear why that happens. Is this telling me the same people are getting raped?

Yes USA, is much more violent.

D-II) Why would closed boarders be equally susceptable? Canada has a closed border with USA, Japan and South Korea have closed borders, and lookie here....low low Homicide rates, especially with Guns.

E) Except for Finland.....wait Canada's Gun ownership rate isn't even that high, why are we on the left?

Also, you don't have to ban all guns. What about handguns. I don't know Canada's handgun ownership rate, but Toronto's Handgun ownership rate is about 3%, and look we have a low crime rate.

Why not just ban handguns?

F) True, but still 1 murder spree 20 years ago doesn't make much of a case.