Should we Ban Guns?

[Michael-5]

dsgrue3 said:

Michael-5 said:

That video is so biased.

A) Criminals will still keep weapons, and only law abiding citizens will follow the law? Aren't guns in the USA registered like in Canada? You go door to door and take away guns, or put individuals in jail. Also it's a slow process, don't ban all guns at once, start at semi automatics.

If it's already too dangerous to take semi autos from registered owners, USA has some big issues, gun related.

B) Mass Murders by young individuals - Happens too much in the USA. That video counters this by mentioning a cop who used a gun correctly? Obviously Gun should carry guns, that's a silly counter.

C) Violent Video Games - Yup, Canada, much lower homicide rate

D) USA is more violent - It is, statistically, USA is among the most violent country out of all the developed countries. Your video counters this by mentioning Mexico, but again, how hard is it to smuggle a gun into Mexico? Just because guns are banned, doesn't mean they don't find their way into the country.

D-II) LOL He mentions a Mass shooting in Germany. Like I said, a gun ban won't solve everything, you need to stop guns from comming into the country. Gemrnay has a free boarder, so just like in USA, people can easily bring in a gun from another country....illegally.

E) - Removing Guns = less violence? Not right away, I agree with your video, China is a good example, but mass stabbing result in less murders then mass murders.

Anyway, I watched 7 minutes of the video, it's arguing a different point them me. I'm talking about banning guns, and making it difficult to import weapons. What's the point of banning guns if people can still smuggle them in?

This is why Canada has never had a mass shooting, and never will (unless an American smuggles a gun into the country and does this himself). This is why our homicide rate is that much lower.

A) - Criminals use unregistered weapons, often times you hear of serial numbers being removed (to idenfity registration).

B) - Too much, maybe, but what is your point? This is about if taking away guns will help so this is quite obsolete.

C) - Don't follow, obsolete as well.

D) Violence

Rape (per 100,000)

# 1	France:	10,277	2009
# 2	Germany:	7,292	2009
# 3	Russia:	6,208	2009
# 4	Sweden:	4,901	2009
# 5	Argentina:	3,276	2008
# 6	Belgium:	2,786	2009
# 7	Philippines:	2,585	2009
# 8	Spain:	2,437	2009
# 9	Chile:	2,233	2009
# 10	Lesotho:	1,878	2009

# 12	Japan:	1,582	2009
# 13	New Zealand:	1,308	2009

# 23

Canada:

491

2009

# 43

Australia:

91.6

2003

# 57

United States:

30.2

2006

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Assault Victims:

# 1	Saint Kitts and Nevis:	3%
# 2	United Kingdom:	2.8%
= 3	New Zealand:	2.4%
= 3	Australia:	2.4%
# 5	Canada:	2.3%
# 6	Finland:	2.1%
= 7	France:	1.4%
= 7	Denmark:	1.4%
= 9	Sweden:	1.2%
= 9	United States:	1.2%

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Assault Crime (per 100,000):

# 1	Swaziland:	1,308.2	2004
# 2	South Africa:	1,188	2002
# 3	Mauritius:	1,044.9	2006
# 4	Sweden:	845.2	2006
# 5	New Zealand:	839.4	2006
# 6	Australia:	797	2003
# 7	United States:	786.7	1999
# 8	Zimbabwe:	765.1	2004
# 9	Israel:	763.3	2004
# 10	Canada:	737.5	2006

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D-II) Not sure what your point is. His point was mass shootings happen elsewhere when gun laws are stricter or completely banned.

E) Removing guns stops violence? No. Homicide? Let's see:

Notice the blue line is gun ownership rate, so one would expect to see decreased homicide rate (red dotted line) with the decreased gun ownership rate. We simply do not see such a trend.

F) No Canada Mass Shootings:

 

• In the 1989 massacre of 14 women at the Ecole Polytechnique in Montreal, Marc Lepine used a Ruger Mini-14 rifle, at the time equipped with a substantial magazine.
• And in 2006, Kimveer Gill used a Beretta Cx4 Storm to shoot 72 rounds at Montreal’s Dawson College, injuring 16 and killing student Anastasia DeSousa.

 

And that took about 5 seconds to google "Canada Mass Shootings".

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Final thoughts: 

It's good to debate these things, but not when you bring nothing factual to the table. Next time do some research so someone doesn't make you into a fool.

A) Put people with posessions of these weapons in jail, and put owners of registered guns, who can't find them in jail as well. I understand if your gun was stollen, but if it was, you shouldn't be able to apply for a new one.

B) My point was your video mentioned this, but didn't address it. Guns rarely save others.

C) Obsolete? You're just saying that because you have no counter. USA and Canada have the exact same video games. So why does this only make Americans go on mass shootings, and in general kill more?

D) ~~~~~ USA is 3rd for Assault Crimes out of developed countries, 8th for Assault Victims, and far back on rape....However I can understand why Rape rates are so low in USA with Obesity rates being so high (36% Of Americans are Obese!, this is 3x the European Average).

Yup in General, Amricans (left the e out on purpose) are among the more violent people in developed countries.

D-II) His point about mass shooting happening in places with strict gun genulations is "obselete." It completly ignores the fact that Germany has free boarders, so gun smuggling is possible, and easy.

E) You realize that spike for countries with low homicide rates is due to Scotland and Ireland? A country with serious alcholism and drug issues? Remove that and yes, there is a trend. However, I meantioned this several times, drugs and alcohol are a bigger factor.

F) So guns not on the prohibitted list were responsible for Canada's only two shootings? One of which only had 1 fatality, the other being over 20 years old? Why not get statistics from the 19th Century while you're at it lol.

FT - Yes, you should, lol. Almost all your charts have been shown to help argue my side, not yours.