Should we Ban Guns?

[Michael-5]

chris_wing said:

1-Canada's gun registry failed & is in shambles

"Originally the program required the registration of all non-restricted firearms but this requirement was dropped on April 6, 2012 by the coming into force of Bill C-19.    Bill C-19 also mandated the destruction of the non-restricted records of the registry as soon as feasible.^"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Firearms_Registry

2-No Canadian mass shootings?  Okay, now I can stop taking you seriously. http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/12/18/guns-notorious-for-use-in-canadian-mass-shootings-still-not-prohibited/

1. See, that's just not true. You are taking one fact and using it to make a false claim. Canada's Gun Resistry is still strong, and we still have a 2 day wait period plus a psych test to see if individuals qualify for a weapon.

Registering prohibited and restricted firearms include conceilable handguns, sawed off shotguns, sawed off rifles. Basically guns which are more easily used to commit crimes. On the same page OPP Commissioner Fantino says " None of the guns we know to have been used were registered, although we believe that more than half of them were smuggled into Canada from the United States."

You also have 74% of general duty police officers stated that the registry "query results have proven beneficial during major operations" according to a Canada Firearms Centre (CAFC) survey.

So you see, whatever guns we get in Canada, responsible for homicides, are smuggled weapons. This means that the ban is working, it makes it impossible for criminals to get a gun through legal means. Now if you guys just banned guns too, the number of weapons smuggled would drop.

2. Did you read that article? Those two mass murders were done with guns, not on the prohibited/restricted firearms list, and one of the two shootings only had 1 victim.

So you found an article, on a mass homicide in Quebec, the French Part of Canada, and another shooting with only 1 fatality

The article also has many exerts from Prime Ministers with heavy gun tolerance, all of which stating that their country is now safer. e.g.

“Australia is a safer country as a result of what was done in 1996,” former prime minister John Howard wrote last August. - He didn't pass this law, so why would he praise it, if it wasn't a fact?

chris_wing said:

The USA has 88 guns per 100 people, Canada has 31 per 100 people.  By your reasoning the murder rate by gun should be the same ratio.

Now this is where it falls apart......

What??? I never said this, or implied it.

In fact I said multiple times guns aren't even the main source of homicides, just a factor. Drugs are the bigger cause of homicide. I know for a fact that most homicides in Canada are done under the influence of alcohol.

So you're going to see a higher homicide rate in a country with lenient gun control, or free/poorly controlled boarders, and it's true. I even showed above that most gun related homicides in Canada occur because of smuggled guns from the USA.