| timmah said: @BOLD, there lies the problem, and why this goes nowhere (you already know the only true answer to every question you pose, and that's it). The Bible is very clear that we are free, and we are responsible for our actions. I don't believe in predetermination due to this. The question is, what does God know, and how? I've postulated a scenario where He may be able to appear to foreknow events if He views time differently than us, while possibly leaving choice intact (again, theory). I've also stated that if Time is fixed to Him as you suggest, then Omniscience would not have to include certain knowledge of the future (not 'retarding' the definition at all if you actually bothered to read the link I posted). Omnisciense as a concept can include discussions of (as I stated) inherent vs total omniscience, and whether to include Anterograde omniscience (future). I'm not retarding anything by stating that. You keep saying time is irrelevant even though the concept of time and timelessness is a core part of many philosophical and theological theories & discussions on the topic. You clearly know your side of this topic and nothing else. |
This isn't about the Bible. This is about omniscience - all-knowing. Note: all. Omniscience in its purest form is devoid of time, everything is known at every time. That's the definition that I've been using, not the gimped version you keep using. I really don't care to debate gimped versions of definitions subject to ambiguity or interpretation. If you refuse to accept this definition, then we have nothing to discuss.
| Chrizum said: dsgrue you have an extremely childish and limited method of debating, you are only wasting your own time with this ridicilous tirade. And this is said by a deterministic atheist who believes free will is an illusion. |
Nice input, slick. If you aren't going to discuss the topic, go away or I'll report you.
