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timmah on 01 February 2013
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dsgrue3 said:
timmah said:

You're wrong. There are multiple beliefs on omniscience, not all of them include future http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniscience

Omniscience does not by definition have to include Anterograde omniscience (future). Also, the subject of time/perspective CAN BE part of the philophical discussion. You're taking an incredibly deep and nuanced discussion and whittling it down to one overly simplistic statement. As somebody who has actually read on and done some studying on this subject, I can tell you have not done your own due dilligence.

Cool if you want to retard omniscience like you keep retarding god, go ahead. But future knowledge is no different than current or past knowledge given all variables and constraints at a given moment. As you said, God is out of time, can jump in at any place and analyze. I don't need to do any research, you've yet to acknowledge the simple truth that they are mutually exclusive given the accepted definitions for both.

If you want to deal with a retarded defintion of omniscience and a retarded god, then go away. (Note: Retard as in the transitive verb)

@BOLD, there lies the problem, and why this goes nowhere (you already know the only true answer to every question you pose, and that's it).

The Bible is very clear that we are free, and we are responsible for our actions. I don't believe in predetermination due to this. The question is, what does God know, and how? I've postulated a scenario where He may be able to appear to foreknow events if He views time differently than us, while possibly leaving choice intact (again, theory). I've also stated that if Time is fixed to Him as you suggest, then Omniscience would not have to include certain knowledge of the future (not 'retarding' the definition at all if you actually bothered to read the link I posted). Omnisciense as a concept can include discussions of (as I stated) inherent vs total omniscience, and whether to include Anterograde omniscience (future). I'm not retarding anything by stating that.

You keep saying time is irrelevant even though the concept of time and timelessness is a core part of many philosophical and theological theories & discussions on the topic. You clearly know your side of this topic and nothing else.