dsgrue3 said:
No, I actually just repeated what you said - by definition God sees all things - every possible concept. You keep retarding God. One concept may be valid, but God sees every single one, thus nullifying your entire point. Stop saying it's beyond Human understanding - that's a copout and an outright lie. These are concepts we understand - determinism and free will. You have no point, and you have no case. I wish you would stop wasting both of our time and simply admit it. |
First, if you would look at the argument based on the analogies I gave, you would see there is a point to be made there, or at least an interesting discussion that 'brings something new to the table' as you said earlier. I understand if you think the axioms are crap, or if you say we shouldn't assume a supernatural God would have supernatural powers (wait, what?), but don't say there was no point or case made. You're annoyed because I won't jump on the atheist logic train where you get to prove (based on black & white, pre-designed, ad nauseum arguments) that I'm stupid or illogical for not thinking like you and get to pat yourself on the back for being 'smarter' than me.
There's no way as a Christian I'd ever subscribe to the arrogant idea that my limited understanding could fully understand God, or even this particular aspect (though I can try). In your infinite human smartness, please explain to me exactly how a being who is by definition outside of time would see time, what that would look like, and what the exact implications would be as viewed from the natural universe. Please do it exactly and without using analogies or theories, then please, please tell me that you know exactly what the results would be related to free will with absolute certainty because, obviously, you've observed and tested all of the potential mind-bending discussions that can possibly be had on this subject. Please also articulate to me based on your own perspective and knowledge what it would be like to know everything there is to know and what that would look like exactly. (there's no way to do what I just described, so that paragraph is rhetorical)
You honestly think you have the one bulletproof argument on free will as it relates to a God you don't even believe in or study? You think any argument that disagrees with yours has no mertis at all? C'mon, man, that's not realistic. I still don't understand why you insist on trying to use your heavy handed, pre-framed arguments to somehow talk people of faith out of their faith. There is absolutely nothing you could say or do on an online forum to convince me that you're right on the issue of faith. I'm open to debates and enjoy them, but there's a point where we should just agree to disagree without assuming the other is dense. This is one of those points. I respect your opinion, and I can see your points, but I disagree. That's not going to change.
