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timmah on 29 January 2013
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dsgrue3 said:
timmah said:
dsgrue3 said:

Yes, God has determined the paths of individuals if he is omniscient so it is indeed deterministic. To suggest he hasn't is to suggest he is not omniscient.

Nope. I'm always amused at how narrow the approach of some atheists is to theological discussions. You require the Christian accept a certain set of axioms that you work to pigeonhole them into, then you will then use those axioms in an effort to disprove the Christian's belief system. You have a very clear agenda.

I'm sorry, but suggesting that god has not determined the outcomes of events is to suggest that god does not know the outcomes. You're arguing he isn't omniscient.

If God can view time from a non-fixed perspective (the axiom in the argument I posed), this is simply not the case (just as a theoretical time traveler would not have to pre-determine a choice to witness it, thereby knowing it without pre-determining it). You simply refuse to consider that axiom. Again, I don't know how God works, I'm just posing a theoretical possibility based on one theological perspective.

And please, don't patronize my intelligence on this. Plenty of brilliant men have theorized a ton of different ideas on time as a dimension, spacetime, whether time is fixed in reality, or merely by our perspective of it, whether it flows, or if this is simply our way of interpreting it, whether all things in time exist simultaneously, or if there is one fixed point of existence in time that is absolute, whether time has an arrow, or if it is theoretically possible for travel through it, whether dimensions/realities can exist outside of time, whether time can be bent by gravity or speed, etc. etc. etc.