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timmah on 28 January 2013
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dsgrue3 said:
timmah said:
dsgrue3 said:

Pre-knowledge means your path is known, all outcomes are known, you are following a deterministic path = predetermined. I'm not saying God influences your decisions, I'm saying God knows them.

Ok, and I'm just saying that wouldn't by definition nullify your decisions or choices, because that knowledge exists outside your frame of reference and does not impact your decisions from your perspective inside time.


Here's what you're missing.

You see a choice, God sees a deterministic outcome - in the door example A, B, C, you see 3 choices. God sees that you will choose B. No other choice can be made since god already knows you will choose B. You cannot ever choose A or C because you have already chosen B.

Free will implies nondeterminism, and I have just proven determinism; thus negating free will with omniscience.

Only if the person who knows and the person making the choice are both constrained by time. You're still having a metaphysical discussion using only physical axioms.