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timmah said:

Your conclusion is still related specifically to a perspective inside of space-time. This kind of discussion bares a lot of similarity to discussions in theoretical physics and how the 'flow' of time might work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fabric_of_the_Cosmos

Part II: Time and Experience

Part II begins by addressing the issue that time is a very familiar concept, yet it is one of humanity's least understood concepts.

Chapter 5, "The Frozen River", deals with the question, "Does time flow?" One of the key points in this chapter deals with special relativity. Observers moving relative to each other have different conceptions of what exists at a given moment, and hence they have different conceptions of reality. The conclusion is that time does not flow, as all things simultaneously exist at the same time.

Pre-determination and pre-knowledge are two different doctrines on this topic as it applies to a belief in God. If you were to theorize a perspective outside of time, pre-knowledge does not necessarily have to imply pre-determination, though it would be difficult if not impossible for a mind constrained by time to fully grasp something like that. Given the 'frozen river' example above, does God pre-arrange all items in the frozen river (pre-determinism), or does he simply observe them (pre-knowledge)? Also, if he is outside of the constraints of time, what does a time describing word like 'pre' even mean to him?

Are you even reading my responses? This is the third time I'm saying this now: time is not relevant.

There are a cluster of events with their known outcomes, order isn't relevant. Time isn't relevant. Predeterminism Preknowledge, it's the same damn thing. Determined prior to the event itself, and as everything is known prior to the Universe, all events and outcomes are already known.

You're basically arguing that God isn't omniscient, which is what I'm getting at. You're saying the way he sees events is different because it doesn't include time, but you're retarding God by saying that and neglecting to address the fact that even time independent, God would be able to associate outcomes with choices.

Edit: @Spurge, Oh you!