Why do some believe these characteristics of a Creator?

[dsgrue3]

timmah said:

dsgrue3 said:

timmah said:

You're also making a faulty argument if indeed God lives outside the constraints of time. Faulty because your argument is posed from a perspective of living inside and being limited by the dimension of time, that perspective and its resulting argument could not apply to a being that is not constrained by time, which is your premise. If to God, time is beginning, in progreess, and finished all at the same time, looking ahead to see what you choose to do (from outside of time) does not by definition nullify the choice you made from your perpective inside the constraints of time, it simply observes that choice.

 

Time is not relevant in predeterminism. You have a certain path - a chain of events, order isn't relevant; only that the outcomes for each choice are known (which they would be in the case of omniscience). So, at best, you have the illusion of free will if there is an omniscient creator.

I'm not talking about predeterminism (where God decided what I would do before I did it), but pre-knowledge (God sees time as beginning, in progress, and ended, all at the same time).

As beings constrained by time, describing/understanding this is a lot like trying to describe/understand what the color spectrum would look like if our eyes could see all of it.

Omniscience implies predeterminism. Like I said, all outcomes are known. Order isn't relevant only outcome for each event/choice, doesn't matter what order they are in. And don't give me any bullshit about an omniscient being not able to know what outcome is associated with what choice.

@your other point, makes no sense. Even if God "turns off" knowledge for a moment while you choose, the choice has already been pretedermined. Just because he turns off knowledge at that particular point in time doesn't mean you can change an outcome that has been known since the beginning of time.

I think you are misrepresenting omniscience or forming an entirely new definition.

Definition of OMNISCIENT (Merriam-Webster)

: having infinite awareness, understanding, and insight

: possessed of universal or complete knowledge

@happydolphin Yes, it is my fault. I'm opposed to responding to nonsense. It isn't worth my time.