Mnementh said:
timmah said:
| Jay520 said:
1. The Creator is all-powerful - I sort of understand this. If something created everything, then it seems likely that it must have unlimited power. I think this is flawed thinking. If universe was created by a creator, that doesn't mean the Creator has the ability to create anything. Everything that exists could merely be the extent of the Creator's power. The Creator "only" created the universe. Maybe He lacks the ability to create anything else. We wouldn't be able to find out.
If he created the universe, he would have to be at least as powerful as what he created (equal to the force of the big bang). This would mean that by the measures we can define (as we are constrained to this universe) he would be 'all powerful', or containing at least the level of 'power' that is exhibeted by the universe we are constrained to.
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I'm approaching these as theoretical discussions, my responses in bold italic above. Went with details on only the ones I could discuss without using biblical references.
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Well, we can create machines that are more powerful than we are: cars are faster than us, cranes can lift heavier things, we have stuff that manipulates single atoms, we can build machines that fly us to the moon - and so on. I don't think we can conclude the creator of the universe is at least as powerful as the universe.
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Yes, but we create things using matter & physical laws that already exist. Apples to oranges.
My point was comparing the power of this creator to that of the big bang, which would have been equal to all matter and energy in the universe (infinite as far as our observation and capacity can measure), therefore, whatever caused the big bang would theoretically need to possess the same or greater power than the big bang (every action has an equal and opposite reaction). This would suggest that if a creator caused the big bang, the amount of force necessary to cause the big bang would be infinite according to our frame of reference & understanding of physical laws.
