maximrace said:
Soleron said:
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maximrace said:
I think it's easy to understand. There is a marketshift towards apps.
Oh really? Show me the big app game company's balance sheets.
Look at games like fruit ninja, temple run and angry birds. They are far more profitable than a 64€ core game that sells below 1m
Most core gamers have the hdtwins and are waiting for the nextgen.
Why wait? Aren't all the games they like out now? Why will next gen's games suddenly be attractive if current ones are not?
Because next gen games will be different. More will be able to be done resulting in better games that core gamers really need to play so they buy the next consoles.
The casual gamer who bought the wii, psp or ds isn't interested in gaming anymore because they have a tablet/ smartphone to game on.
Are they spending the same amount of money on it? What you're actually seeing is $60 games no longer being worth it so people will take what they can get for 99c or free. That doesn't amount to actually not wanting console games, it means the ones they do want don't exist. And when they DO exist (CoD, Minecraft, Animal Crossing 3DS) suddenly we see lots of sales out of nowhere.
It's market apathy, not market shift.
Not true, if they really wanted that game they would have bought a vita to play ac or cod. This didn't happen.
But casuals aren't that important for a core gaming console.
Kinect didn't sell 20m then?
Yes it did but 360 would have sold 50m with kinect, that's a good number for a core gaming machine. And a cellphone device can't play games like kinect. Kinect is unique thus making people want it.
So the nextbox/ ps 4 should do allright if they are aimed a tthe core market.
wasn't the Wii U aimed at the core market?
Yes but there is name confusion. Most people aren't really that well informed like gameforummembers. So most people don't want to buy it because it's just the succesor of a casual games console
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1. I said show me the balance sheets. How do you know if they're profitable or not?
2. I said how will they suddenly be attractive? You think better graphics will make people buy installments to franchises that are currently not selling well? If PS4720 have an install base of 5m and PS360 have an install base of 140m which platforms do you think CoD 2013 and 2014 will launch for? And which one will people buy? I'm telling you now: they'll buy the PS360 CoD far more. Unspecified "More that will able to be done" doesn't overcome $500 hurdles.
3. They bought CoD, the experience, which happens to be on 360 and PS3. CoD the brand is not the same as CoD the experience. Casuals don't just buy what's put in front of them with CoD written on it. Vita is proof enough that people don't buy a console for quality hardware, media features or the OS.
4. If uniqueness makes people want something why did Virtual Boy not sell? What about all the Dreamcast exclusive games? No, people buy the experiences they want, and right now consoles don't offer enough of them and there's no roadmap to fix this other than more sequels to poorly selling games and more expensive hardware and software.
5. You think name confusion is why Wii U is not selling? Why not the obvious explanation - no games that people want. Secondly, if no one buys game consoles because of casual image, how did Wii and DS become so successful?
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Basic thesis
1. There is no ground being lost to mobile
2. People ONLY buy consoles to get to experiences
3. Sometimes games no longer provide that experience and die. Other games can then pick it up.
