| timmah said:
1. The Creator is all-powerful If he created the universe, he would have to be at least as powerful as what he created (equal to the force of the big bang). This would mean that by the measures we can define (as we are constrained to this universe) he would be 'all powerful', or containing at least the level of 'power' that is exhibeted by the universe we are constrained to. 2. The Creator is all-knowing All Knowing may not mean knowing every single tiny thing that goes on, but may refer to 'containing all knowledge' as we could define knowledge. If he created the Universe, he would in theory know everything about what he designed (in the same way an architect would know the intricate workings of a buiding he designed). 3. The Creator is all-loving He is also described as a father, so if this is an accurate comparison I'd assume he loves us because of that association. 4. The Creator is everywhere Think about it in the context of a two-dimensional being describing a three-dimensional being as being 'everywhere'. The being from the outside dimension could in theory see much more of the three dimensional world than the being trapped in the 2d world as he would have a different perspective. The three-dimensional being could 'be' or 'interact' with multiple places in the two-dimensional world and appear to be 'everywhere' or 'anywhere' he chooses at any time. If the creator is by definition outside time and space as we know it, he could theoretically interact with the dimensions we are constrained to in a similar way.
5. There's only one Creator - What's the logic behind believing in one Creator rather than multiple Creators? This one would go to biblical explanations, so I won't go there. 6. The Creator has a plan for humanity - As far as humanity as a whole, I believe there is a plan to redeem us as a species from our fallen state in the end, as well as an opportunity for individual redemption if we choose it now. I don't think there's a specific roadmap for each individual's life.
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1. You didn't argue my point. You agreed that a creator would be as powerful as our universe and powerful enough to create everything that exists in our universe. But where's the logic in assuming it can create everything, including things that don't exist in our universe?
2. Please make the distinction between "every single tiny thing" and "all knowledge." Give some examples because I don't know where you draw the line between the two. Also, if this being didn't know "every single tiny thing" wouldn't it not be all-knowing? Well, I guess that depends on your definition of all-knowing.
As for your archichect analogy, I wouldn't be so sure. Yeah he would know everything about the building initially. But after creating it, it's likely that he wouldn't keep up without all the changes of the building unless he constantly observed the building (which we have no reason to believe he does. Perhaps he went to focus on new buildings). And this is without considering free will I f this architect threw in a bunch of beings with free will to do whatever they wanted without interference, it seems likely he wouldn't always know what was going on in his building.
3. Is this based on religion? Where's the logic that associates the creator with a father, especially a loving father?
4. Sure, a 3D being would be able to see more than the 2D being, but there's no reason to believe it would be able to interact with the entirety of the 2D being's reality. It would be able to interact with multiple places in the 2D being's reality, but why would it be able to interact with all of it?
5. That's unfortunate.
6. Why do you believe there is a plan for our species?
