If you are against gay marriage, explain why without mentioning religion

[Michael-5]

Jay520 said:

Michael-5 said:

Yes, exactly. Sex is biologically designed as an act to furthur populations. There are reasons why males want to get laid more then women, and that women are more selective (more reward for males, we don't have the consequence of pregnancy). For the same reason Tigers kills the cubs of any females they mate with because of genetic evolution.

Homosexuality, like schitzophenia, is a random disorder. You don't pass on homosexuality to your children, it's not a gene, just an imbalance. It completly removes the purpose of sex from it's genetic intention, and does nothing to improve the fitness of a species. If anything it hurts the fitness by spreading STD's.

This is different from Monks in China because abstinance is a cognitive choice made by the individuals. It is not something which is forced upon you, Homosexuals do not choose to be homosexuals, and many homosexuals attempt to live heterosexual lives.

Just like schitzophenia, you don't choose to be schitzo. Hence this is a disorder because it prevents people who would otherwise be functioning normally, to reproduce.

You say you're against homosexuality because it spreads STDs. But there's no intrinsic connection between homosexuality and unprotected sex. What you are against is a specific subset of homosexuals, homosexuals who practice unprotected sex. Based on what you said, you shouldn't have a problem with homosexuality as a whole, because there are plenty of homoesexuals who practice safe sex, and you should be fine with those people.

As for the disorder definition, you probably could find a definition that matches homosexuality. That's not really my point. I'm interested in an inherent quality of homosexuality that makes you "against" homosexuality. The only inherent 'flaw' of homosexuality is the inability to naturally reproduce. I guess you could be against homosexuality for that reason, though I really don't see why you should care about other people's ability to reproduce.

Actually there is, Homosexuals have higher odds at carrying most STD's. I could look uo the numbers, but it should be pretty obvious. Bisexuals especially have the highest frequency of STD's per capita.

However, you are correct, I have nothing against homosexuals who practice safe sex.

As for your second point, it's not that I see homosexuality as a "flaw" but as a mutation which hurts the fitness of a species. I reaslly don't care if people are gay, we have enough people in the world, but it's still a mutation/disorder/defect, which is nagative towards humanity as a whole.

 

So like you said, I have nothing against homosexuals who practice safe sex. However I am pro looking for a cure because many homosexuals don't wish to be homosexuals, and it's unfair to them that they can't live life in a normal way. People don't choose to become gay, so for now, gay marriage is the answer to their problems. Once there is a cure for homosexuality my opinion on gay marriage might change.

Homosexuality isn't a big deal to me, just like Albinoism isn't, However am I against looking for a cure for people who can't produce melatop in their skin to protect them from the sun? No, I want to help these people out, just like I want to help cure homosexuality because given the choice, many homosexuals would choose to "cure" themselves and become straight.

 

Also for reference, It's difficult to draw the line from disorder and defect. Schizophrenia is a disorder of the brain, but there are theories that this could be due to a mutation in gene replication. If that's true, Schizophenia would actually be labeled as both a defect and a disorder. We don't know what the underlying cause for homosexuality is. We don't know if it's defeloped or if you're born with it. However it's different from the normal, it causes people to behave in ways which are not normal, and it's not something which an affected individual has the ability to change. So homosexuallity is definatly something.

But like you said, it doesn't affect you, so why should you care? Well if I ever had a child and he was born homosexual, but wanted to be heterosexual, I would like to know there is a "cure" so that he could live a normal lifestyle and reproduce, and give me grandchildren.

However we still need to accept homosexuals in our culture because there is no cure.