It is not the Wii U that has mildly failed, it is Mario

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Immortal said:

kain_kusanagi said:

Well let's just see what happens then. If your right NSMB U and NSMB 2 will grow and end up selling as much as NSMB and NSMB W. If I'm right NSMB U and NSMB 2 will slow and be eclipsed by the next big 3D Mario game we are all waiting for.

I personaly am waiting for a 3D Mario or Zelda or Metroid before jumping on the Wii U train. NSMB U is far, FAR too much like the ones I've already played for me to spend $400 - $450 on a console with nothing else I'm interested in. I like 2D Mario games, but I have enough of them right now. I think consumers in general have enough 2D Mario to go around and don't need another one. But an HD 3D Mario could turn some heads, a lot of heads.

I'm not proposing a bet, I don't bet, but we will see who is right in the comming years. The Wii U doesn't have clueless soccer moms and grandparents to trick into buying it like the Wii did. It has to convince real gamers, both casual and hardcore than the Wii U has games they want to play. As a real gamer and a long time Nintendo fan I'm waiting for the good stuff and I think a lot of gamers feel the way I do.

Fair enough. We'll see what happens; I'm glad you didn't suggest a bet because I'm not sufficiently confident to take it, anyway, :P.

Your "clueless soccer moms and grandparents" comment seems to show that your argument stems from emotion and not analysis, though. Since you evidently don't find the Wii U appealing, you either don't want other people to find it appealing or think that everyone thinks like you (and those who don't are clueless morons).

They really don't, though. While Wii's audience wasn't the traditional 10-20-year-old male audience, you're being unnecessarily belittling by saying that its new audience was a bunch clueless people who were tricked into buying it. If people didn't willfully buy and then enjoy the Wii, its word-of-mouth wouldn't have been so strong and it never would have become so popular. The fact that you're trying to deny and make excuses for this shows that you're really unnecessarily emotionally invested in this and that you're making these predictions against NSMB not so much because you think they are likely to happen, but rather because you want them to.

Technically, he would be projecting his own subconcious relationship with videogames into others.

But, in a way, he has a good point; let's say you bought Wii for Wii Sports, what else you had? Wii Play may be the closest you get - a launch game, and after that - nothing.
With Wii Fit, you had Wii Fit Plus. Mario Kart Wii didn't have a sequel, NSMBW didn't have one either (though, there was DKCR and Kirby). On the DS, Brain Training had a sequel, but NSMB and Mario Kart didn't.

UnitSmiley said:

I honestly wish Nintendo would give it a break for awhile and make some new Ip's for once, or show some more of the other successful ones. Obviously I don't want to see a Zelda or Pokemon game every month but I would prefer if they focused on something other than Mario stuff.

I'd be happy if the titles they released for different IP's were more evenly distributed.
I wish something else would be done with Kid Icarus. I loved the game and he is an extremely awesome character imo.

I suppose it's odd for a Nintendo fan to not like Mario, and in a way I wish I WOULD like Mario so I could stop feeling so weird about it lol. But it's really only my love of Zelda and Pokemon that keep me a Nintendo fan, I could care less about Mario or any of it's spinoffs.

But that's just my own opinion and I know there are plenty out there who love Mario to death.

I don't know how much new IP's they'd need to release, as looking at last gen, we had Brain Training, Big Brain Academy, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Wii Music, Rhythm Paradise, Endless Ocean, Disaster: Day of Crisis and a few others.

Returning IP's this and last gen have been, atleast, Super Mario Bros, Donkey Kong Country, Kid Icarus, Pilotwings, Punch-out.

And sequels to almost all of their popular games.