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sc94597 said:

Michael-5 said:

Second - Um.. Yes. Wow really, you'd rather blow someones head off then knock them out? Different world Southern USA then Canada. Maybe people here are smaller? lol

@Ban - Guns aren't something people want for leisure time. Like you said, you own two guns, but never used them before. You probably brought them to a shooting range a few times, but how often you you use them? People consume alcohol as if it were a part of their lives. People drink to be happy, just like others watch TV, or play sports. I'm 100% fine with having guns at a shooting range for recreational use, but you don't use it in every day culture like you do alcohol.

Banning guns would not have the same effect as prohibition, and the war on drugs isn't as much of an issue here in Canada as it is the USA, people are taught in schools why drugs are bad, people are taught better morals here.

As for Homicides rates, the numbers your wuoting are a complete lie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Toronto ; http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/pacrime.htm

Toronto's homicide rate is 3.3/100,000. Pennsylvania is 5/100,000 (Not 1.8). Other US cities, not far from Toronto have significantly higher homicide rates (Detroit is 33.8/100,000 for example).

Old people should carry gun...wow, things are different in the USA.

Also for the tenth time I didn't say handguns are the only, or prime reason why homicide rates are high. I just said that banning them would probably reduce them and there really is no reason why anyone should carry a portable man killer like that. You can't kill people when they are stealing from you, it may be self defence, but it's still murder. This is an example of how morals are not being taught where you're located.

We also did agree, most of the reasons are probably psychological, social, racial, etc. However Psychological issues among individuals are random genetic mutations, no one country will have more psycho's then others, and Toronto is probably more multiculteral then most cities in North America. So why are homicide rates here so much lower? We have better institutions to identify and help those with mental illnesses and addiction, better morals (you don't kill people unless your own life is in danger), better drug control, higher restrictions on alcohol use (nothing above 40% is sold in Ontario), etc, etc.

All I'm arguing is there is no reason to have handguns illegal, and I'm shocked that anyone is questioning that. Target practice? Really? That was one of your first reasons for owning a gun, along with "because I can." That's just being ignorant.

I don't own any guns, yet. Where did you get the idea that I own two guns from? And if you subtract Philadelphia (which has a homocide rate of 20) the rest of Pennsylvania is 1.8. Why should I worry about a high homicide rate that Philadelphia has when the area I live in has people die in the single digits from guns per year?

I mixed you up with somone else. 3 people are debating me at once, I am shocked at how much pro-gun some Americans can be. I see no reason why handguns should be legal. If you need protection from others with handguns, that's more reason to ban it. If Police are inefficient in the southern states, then that should obviously be fixed first, but wow.

As for you logic on Pennsylvania, if I subtract Toronto from Ontario I bet the homicide rate of Ontario will drop. You're comparing a state to a city, and that's not fair because cities are the places which have high homicide rates.

Ontario's Homicide rate, including Toronto which accounts for most of the provinces population is 1.5/100,000, which is lower then Pennsylvania which is 5. Subtract Toronto from Ontario (1/6th the population of the province) and Ontario's homicide rate drops to 0.95, or just over half of Pennsylvanis's homicide rate excluding Philidelphia.

Half is a big difference, and that's being baised. The true difference is that Pennsylvania has 3.3x as many homicides as Ontario.

Also you're wrong again. It's not single digit deaths in your state. 5 people die every year out of 100,000. Pennsylvania is 12 million people large. This means that 600 people a year are killed in your state. That's tripple digit. Ontario is less a third of that, and in Toronto itself has a homicide rate a 6th as small as Philidelphia.