| Marucha said: happydolphin, This is why I kept saying this thread was a non-discussion...a few other people have come to mention this too. I think it's pretty obvious where most people's agendas are, including yours. I learned more about the psychology of the people involved than actually the topics... this thread puts education and open-ness to learning to shame. ... This is part of why I walked away from the discussion, because I felt like there was a lot more going on than just a religions versus atheist thread. Obviously egos super involved here. I mean I kept thinking to myself, this thread was being kept open by squatters... waiting for the next fly to swat! Moreover, there is soooo much fixation on what was 'absolute'... which science is the most absolute way of viewing things/analyzing information, I agree. However, we can't ignore other people's viewpoints when we start to form our own. That is just reality, everyone has multiple ways of interpretting matters in life. I get people are angry. I get angry too. Everything's stupid! (haha) I get science is being 'threatened' by religious zealots who use bible quotes to support ridiculous theories that threaten people's wellbeings. However, the world is more complicated than that and for the most part, multiple belief systems and ways of doing things can co-exist well... at least in an American society ... |
The "..." are parts that I agree with. I agree with your criticism of dsgrue, I am so upset at that guy.
As for having an agenda. How? When I'm getting called a troll for asking questions, you bet I'm going to say that I was right to start with. Some people are on such high ground I feel like my only option is to fight with equal strength when I have the upper hand. This isn't about an agenda, it's about my ego being constantly bashed. You need to understand that. I may be taking the wrong approach to my problem, but you have to understand that the root of the problem was hostile behavior from dsgrue from the start. Runa also jumped in early on and jumped out quickly so as to avoid a ban but he was also quick to reject my ideas simply because they went against his viewpoint, without even considering them. And that's why I had to insist that I was right in the first place, because time and time again they will dismiss my concerns simply because I am not an atheist. It's to make a point, I don't have an agenda I'm just pretty frustrated with their attitudes tbh. I don't think that's such an unfair emotion imho.
As for people getting angry because others are arguing scientific viewpoints with religion. Where did I, the main player on the creationist camp, do that? All my points were based on logic and pragmatic issues I saw with a scientific theory (evolution). I was always working on the grounds of my understanding of genetics.
The attitudes of these people was ill-founded from the get-go.
I can appreciate that dsgrue tried to maintain self-control, but he still has a LOT more work to do. If people want to help the atheistic cause, they may want to be a little more respectful of people. People don't like to learn when they are treated as morons. Trust me, I really know.
