This is why I don't like debating religion

[Runa216]

happydolphin said:
You know what, you guys turned this into a fight since the very beginning, and rather than arguing my points you got personal. You guys first.

This should help explain to a lot of people why debating religion is so difficult, because people haven't learnt not to make it personal or make personal attacks.

I'm very sorry but it's the truth and as much as it hurts it needs to be said. It's really frustrating when you actually want to find answers and help others find answers that you're constantly at a stand-still due to hostile dispositions. To be very frank now.

You need to understand the difference between 'making it personal' and simply acknowledging a fight is unwinnable.  You also need to understand that nobody needs to prove anything to anyone.  this is an internet forum about games, not congress.  your ability to convince someone of something does not matter.  You, like myself, dsgrue3, and anyone else in here arguing evolutionary biology (which, by the way, is completely off topic) are wasting your time.  

Walking away when you see this doesn't mean you're less of a man.  It doesn't mean you lose the debate.  It doesn't mean the world is going to end or that 'the world just won't understand your brilliance'.  facts are facts.  I've not read every post by every poster in this thread, but what I have read thus far has been incredibly one sided when it comes to who is and who is not using facts, evidence, or proof to back their claims.  you can whine all you want and try to discredit what others say, but facts are facts.  When someone just won't accept facts, you don't keep arguing with them, you move on and stop wasting your time trying to fit a square peg into a circular hole.  There comes a time when the only way to force something in something that doesn't want it is intellectual rape, and is accompanied by violence.  

So you want to ignore evolution.  So you want to discredit science or support religion becuase you're not convinced of the evidence in support of established biological fact.  good for you, neither I nor dsgrue3 are in charge of enlightening you, but don't get offended when we dismiss you as the devoutly faithful zealout you are.  that's not making it personal, that's a fair and well reasoned conclusion based on dozens of arguments back and forth wherein you were unable to combat ANY of dsgrue3's  points.  

Philosophy is great, but using philosophical ideas to support your misguided views on biology is not something that anyone outside of a philisopical class respects in a debate.  Just like he can't force the square peg that is evolutionary biology in your circular hole, don't expect to get away with using your philisophical hammer to force your circular peg in his square hole. 

I love analogies.