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Jaywood2010 on 03 January 2013
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bananaking21 said:
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at what point did i ever downplay halo or say its not a successful? or say that its not a huge ass money maker. i actually never said anything about halo other than it had that bundle. and the most succsessful exclusive isnt GT5, or halo4 or 3. its mario kart. my posts arent about downplaying halo. as for GT shipments, until PD update them we have no idea if they shipped more or not, and thats what im saying from the start. PD numbers showed that GT was undertracked with every time they update them. 


Most of that statement is for the entire thread to read.  A lot of people are downplaying it, not you necessarily.  And yes Mario is by far the biggest exclusive.  I should have said for the HD twins.  What was aimed at you was the first part.  We know it has shipped 9.19m not sold.  It is very likely that it has close to 1m games in stores just like it is very plausible that Halo 4 has 1m in stores.  Once they sell through that then make another shipment then that whole argument about it being undertrracked can be brought back up.  Until then it is just pointless because we don't know how much is in stores.

And befor eyou say anything yes Gran Turismo 5 has sold amazingly well and I'm not trying to downplay that.  Hell I don't even like Gran turismo 5 and I bought it at launch and I'll say it's bee a success.  But this thread has been annoying on all ends and any body who actually knows how a business works can say with 100% no doubt that Halo has been bigger for MSFT than GT for Sony this generation.  That is not an argument but a fact.

The difference is that GT5 has been on the market for a lot longer than the just released halo 4, so for example if both have 9 million shipped its more than likely that GT5 sold more at the moment because halo 4 just released and is selling a lot faster, so they need more stock. where gt5 isnt selling that fast so the dont need as much stock. but clearely halo 4 will outsell GT5, no question about that. people shouldnt be comparing it to GT they should be comparing it to halo 3, atleast that would be a more fun comparasion. 

as for whats bigger for each console halo is without a doubt bigger, never have i denied that or said other wise. both sold great, halo sold better and faster and had a better effect on console hardware sales as far as i can tell. but people who are downplaying the success of gt5 saying it only sells because of bundles are just completely wrong and at some points where being hypocritical when it comes to counting bundle sales. yes GT5 is bundled more than halo, i know. but acting like halo4 isnt bundled and GT5 sold most of its coppies due to bundles is being a hypocrit, regadless of which made more money or which was bundled more (gt5 of course)


Agreed.  As usual bundles get brought up on this site and they are still irrelevant and useless to bring up.    And I wasn't talking about you downplaying halo, I'm talking to people (I'm assuming you know who) in general.  The only thing I wanted to say to you is you are using shipped number rather than sold.  We don't even know how much Halo 4 has shipped as well as 99.9% of every other game.