Would you change your gender if you could?

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Adinnieken said:

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Adinnieken said:

Player1x3 said:

That all sounds so damn sick and unnatural. Why would anyone defy God and nature and put their body trough that horror? It's disturbing and sick

For one, some people gender identify as female, regardless of their biological sexuality.

Second, it already happens naturally for some men.  There are some men that due to a biological condition begin producing female hormones, environmental influence (foods, plastics, or other sources of hormones or pseudo hormones), or if the body has too much Testosterone.  

To explain the latter, if your body either produces too much testosterone of due to the use of steroids too much exists in the blood stream, the body naturally converts it to Estrogen, which in turn will result in everything I talked about.

It's rather amazing how everything works.  After having learned a great deal about how hormones work, sexing of the human body, I would never suggest the process sick and unnatural regardless of whether it is the intended biological process or not.  It's fascinating.  

Really ? Men drinking pills to grow tits, shrink their penis and and sterilizing/killing off their balls to become a woman because they were born sick is ''fascinating'' to you?

That isn't what I said, but yes the process by which the human body is sexed with hormones, with relative ease is fascinating. 

Ok, i didn't quite understand you there

  It's presumptuous of you to assume they're "sick" however.  The embryo in vitro could have either for genetic, biological, or environmental reasons subjected them to a greater amount of Estrogen causing fundamental changes to who they were before they were even born.  The fact that you label a wide range of people "sick" when you have no understanding of their actual circumstance is pure ignorance. 

Why are the circumstances relevant ? If someone's sick, he/she is sick. The definition doesn't change at all regardless of circumstances. If someone's development went wrong in the womb (genetic, biological reasons) or later in life (enviormental reasons) doesnt really change much.

A person born with ambiguous genitalia, where they may appear to be male but because they're XXY rather than simply XY, to you is sick if they gender identify with a female.  How to fuck do you call someone XXY sick when even their own body can't made up it's mind as to what sex they are?

You answered your own question there. Because their body can't made up it's mind as to what sex they are. Isn't it obvious? But maybe disorder is a more fitting word rather than sickness?

Are there people who do it for the wrong reasons?  Sure.  I still wouldn't label them "sick" because I don't agree with what they're doing to their body. 

I don't think you understand that there is a slippery slope that exists in human sexuality, where a taboo becomes a kink, and once a kink is used to get off the extremes some will go to get pleasure from it increase.

As an example:  Looking at porn is a kink that most of us (guys) use to get off when we don't have the more desirable alternative of sex itself.  For some guys, pornography is "sick" and they aren't interested in viewing it at all.  I know someone personally where that's the case.  Hell, he didn't even masturbate until his first girlfriend told him it was okay for him to do so.  Again he felt it was sick. 

Bad example. I don't have any data on me, but i'd say 90% of guys (and big percentage of women too) watch porn today. It would be more likely that he is sick rather than us hehe. Porn is actually a matter of taste, what you described before most certainly isn't.

Just because he sees it as sick, does that make him right?  No.  Just because you see people as sick doesn't mean they're sick.  You just have absolutely no understanding of what the motivation behind why they feel compelled to do it.  You see it as sexual, it isn't.  It has nothing to do with who and how they have sex.  However it has everything to do with the gender they identify with.

Yes, i know that. That's exactly why i think they're sick/disordered. They should identity themselves with the gender they're born with. Not mutate their body into something that's not.

Broaden your understanding a bit.  It doesn't mean you have to think it's "ok", but maybe try to gain an understanding of what many go through long before they even get to the stage of hormone therapy, let alone the hormone therapy itself.

No, i don't think any of us normal people could comprehend that. That still doesn't mean we can't judge them for their actions.

But yes, I do find the process by which the human body sexes itself fascinating.  If you have a problem with that I suggest you go read about it in detail and try to find it NOT fascinating.