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Torillian on 31 December 2012
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DaRev said:
Torillian said:

He said "close to all" and you showed one variety out of many that doesn't.  Doesn't that equate to "close to all"?  I think to prove the OP wrong you'd have to do more than just give an example of one group that doesn't, you'd have to show statistics on the percentage of christians that don't and then we'd have to agree on what "close to all" equates to.  

He said the bold, " they all believe that we have a free will", error. Plus he is the one making the claim about "close to all" so let him show the numbers, cause as far as I know there are lots of Calvinists around, in fact I know a lot of them. In any event Calvinsts could make up 1/3 or even  HALF of Christians, cause you either believe in free will or you don't. Typical atheist post, i.e. not know anything except whats in your own head?

THat's kind of a douchey response at the end there, but I'll attempt to continue without saying anything durogatory about the "typical christian post".

The fact that he said "they all believe that we have a free will" doesn't change that he said "close to all" before that, that's just how grammar works.  Now you can challenge his assessment but you should atleast come in with some numbers of some kind or it's just you trying to nitpick a post to get your rocks off.  

Mk, I'll do the work for you then.  If you trust Wikipedia, which is about as good a source as any I can find for this, there are 2.2 billion people that denote themselves as being christian, and there are 80 million who are members of the Calvonist church specifically.  Math says therefore that 96.36% of Christians aren't Calvonists and I think that's debatably "close to all"

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/xx.html in the religions section

http://web.archive.org/web/20110707005807/http://www.wcrc.ch/node/260

let me know if you know of any other sects that specifically do not believe in free will and I'll add them in and we'll see if you can get low enough that it isn't plausibly "close to all".

 



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