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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Player1x3 said:

Wow, you're really insanely obsessed with Christianity, aren't you? You talk about it waay more than any christian person here does.

You need to get out of your head the idea that we aren't some monkeys in a circus or puppets that are being controlled by the environment. You need to realize that people ARE ABLE to to make their own mind and create their own personalities DESPITE their environment and circumstances. Humans aren't the shallow, naive and weak pussies as you make them to be. They don't necessarily bow to the situation they find themselves in, spread their ass cheeks and say ''well, it's not my fault i turned out like this'. Some people are actually able to take credit and responsibility for their actions and say ' i did/caused this myself, and i made this out of myself BECAUSE of myself'. Now, of course, you ACTUALLY being the type of people you describe in your threads, you can't possibly understand that concept, because you've probably been taught to think like that by your society. (aka Sweden, where everybody pretends everybody is super nice and good, and the minute something goes wrong, you start blaming the environment, childhood, family and other bullshit aspects, because you know, the individual can't possibly have any responsibility)

You use the same arguments to defend convicts as well (rapists, murderers, thieves etc), the good old ''they were influenced by the events in their lives, so they had no control of what those events could lead them into doing'' Bullshit. You can find the examples where the kids from richest families, nicest parents and who had every tool possible for succses in the world still turned out to be complete failures and fuck ups life. And you can also find examples where people from the dirtiest slums of India managed to become successful and respected lawyers, engineers, programmers etc...

Your society, environment, and circumstances of your life do not even remotely defiy your free will. If you really want something, you're gonna get it despite the challenges you face. We can control on how we turn out to be because of the free will. We can choose not to bow to the difficulties and situations.

To specifically answer to the OP, the result 2 is the correct one. The kid entering the heaven will be unaffected by that decision. A pathway to heaven is mostly a personal struggle, traditional religious practicing isn't necessary for it. That depends of course on how you define that. If you say following the specific morals of a religion, i'd probably agree with, but lots of morals aren't exclusive to one religion, so it wouldn't really matter if you pray to Krishna, Allah or Christ, as long as you practice the right morals. I believe that's how you 'get into heaven'. I believe heaven is a metaphor for peace in afterlife with God, and that can be only achieved with what i've described above IMO. So whether that God is called Krishna, Allah or Christ is irrelevant as long as you're in 'heaven'. And that's what religious practice is, IMO


I'm going to focus on this part since the rest has already been discussed in one of my previous threads. (Though for those who are interested, here it is: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=144832&page=1 )

I used to have the very same (or at the very least extremely similar) views during my last days as a Christian. Namely that it doesn't really matter what you believe: As long as you are a good person you will enter heaven. And well, to this very day I don't care about what people believe in as long as they are good persons. This thread was simply made to discuss what I consider a major flaw in Christianity regarding free will. Some agree, others disagree. That is what makes discussion possible.

If you agree that the "second result" in the OP indeed indicates that whatever religious practicing or lack of religious practicing you choose to follow doesn't matter as long as you try your best to be a good person, there there is nothing more to discuss. We'd simply agree.

Like I said before, it really depends on how you define religious practicing. For me personally, going to church for example every Sunday isnt really a religious practicing. Its more like religious worship or religious study IMO.

But I dont see how the second result points out the flaw in Christianity in any way, really.