naimisharanya said:
Player1x3 said:
naimisharanya said:
Player1x3 said:
Wow, you're really insanely obsessed with Christianity, aren't you? You talk about it waay more than any christian person here does.
You need to get out of your head the idea that we aren't some monkeys in a circus or puppets that are being controlled by the environment. You need to realize that people ARE ABLE to to make their own mind and create their own personalities DESPITE their environment and circumstances. Humans aren't the shallow, naive and weak pussies as you make them to be. They don't necessarily bow to the situation they find themselves in, spread their ass cheeks and say ''well, it's not my fault i turned out like this'. Some people are actually able to take credit and responsibility for their actions and say ' i did/caused this myself, and i made this out of myself BECAUSE of myself'. Now, of course, you ACTUALLY being the type of people you describe in your threads, you can't possibly understand that concept, because you've probably been taught to think like that by your society. (aka Sweden, where everybody pretends everybody is super nice and good, and the minute something goes wrong, you start blaming the environment, childhood, family and other bullshit aspects, because you know, the individual can't possibly have any responsibility)
You use the same arguments to defend convicts as well (rapists, murderers, thieves etc), the good old ''they were influenced by the events in their lives, so they had no control of what those events could lead them into doing'' Bullshit. You can find the examples where the kids from richest families, nicest parents and who had every tool possible for succses in the world still turned out to be complete failures and fuck ups life. And you can also find examples where people from the dirtiest slums of India managed to become successful and respected lawyers, engineers, programmers etc...
Your society, environment, and circumstances of your life do not even remotely defiy your free will. If you really want something, you're gonna get it despite the challenges you face. We can control on how we turn out to be because of the free will. We can choose not to bow to the difficulties and situations.
To specifically answer to the OP, the result 2 is the correct one. The kid entering the heaven will be unaffected by that decision. A pathway to heaven is mostly a personal struggle, traditional religious practicing isn't necessary for it. That depends of course on how you define that. If you say following the specific morals of a religion, i'd probably agree with, but lots of morals aren't exclusive to one religion, so it wouldn't really matter if you pray to Krishna, Allah or Christ, as long as you practice the right morals. I believe that's how you 'get into heaven'. I believe heaven is a metaphor for peace in afterlife with God, and that can be only achieved with what i've described above IMO. So whether that God is called Krishna, Allah or Christ is irrelevant as long as you're in 'heaven'. And that's what religious practice is, IMO
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While I disagree with much of what you say, I wholeheartedly agree with your reasoning process.
Moreover, I actually enjoyed reading your philosophical reasoning. This is very rare - especially on VGChartz. What makes this more intruiging is that you are a mere whipper snapper.
Have you ever considered mind expanding substances?
*Oh all of you shut up*
I'm totally serious. You sound ready for it.
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Can you specify the parts you're referring to?
And what is a whipper snapper?
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Oh goodness, I thought I was quoting someone else. In that case "whipper snapper" doesn't apply. It refers to a very young person usually. I thought I quoted Andrespetmonkey for some reason - sorry.
Well, I don't agree with "I believe heaven is a metaphor for peace in afterlife with God, and that can be only achieved with what i've described above IMO. So whether that God is called Krishna, Allah or Christ is irrelevant as long as you're in 'heaven'. And that's what religious practice is, IMO"
But I really don't want to argue it because...
Well, it's 4am here, and if I were to really delve into this topic then it would require a proper job. Also, I have no personal problem with your conclusion. I take it too be much more advanced than what is common today. Of course my subjective evaluation of what you adhere to shouldn't mean much to anyone, but you did ask...
Hope that's ok.
Oh, and I was only half serious about the psychadelics. I've just been reading up a lot about them lately. I also so this documentary about DMT called "The Spirit Molecule". Very interesting indeed. It was a little tongue-in-cheeck to be honest, because I believe that Andrespetmonkey recently started smoking pot, so that's why I mentioned it. Makes sense I'm sure.
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