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Grey Acumen said:
godf said:
The problem with having an all knowing, all powerful creator; and then believing that he can condemn his creation, is more interesting anyway.

When God started the big bang and sent matter spiraling through the universe, he knew it would lead to every sin you are going to commit. When he reaches down to create you soul at the point of conception, he knows whether he's creating somone he will later damn or bless.

Seems a little unfair, eh?

Also, teh idea of knowing everything negating free will is also erronious. The only issue is if you think that one has to know only ONE single possible outcome. On the theory that every choice made creates an alternate path that the universe takes on the timeline, then every possible result of every possible choice could be tracked and followed.

"IF you take this action, then this will happen. IF you take this other action, something else will happen. Etc" There are an infinite number of possible choices to be made, but God is infinite and thus would be able to catalogue every result of every choice, and likely have a good feel for which choices are likely to be made as well. The choice itself is still up to thos emaking that choice though.

OK, but your God is not only all-knowing and all-seeing, but all-creating.

He created the universe, having complete perfect control over what he was creating at that time. Having, as he does, complete perfect knowledge, foresight, understanding, and awareness, he knew at that moment of creation every sin that would ever be committed by the free-willed individuals he was going to cause the creation of. He chose to go ahead and not create the universe differently.

Therefore, your God (assuming He exists) ought to get equal credit for every deed GOOD OR BAD that anyone has ever done or will ever do for all time. God is (indirectly) responsible for every sin ever.

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